Accuracy difference .357 vs G34
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OilyPablo
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I diagnosed a shorter than specification firing pin/bolt interface issue on a 6.8SPCII AR. Even though it was out of spec, it worked fine. Never the less I made it in spec.
Walt Sherrill
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Wow. There you go again, trying to make a castle out of firewood.
You have a real knack for interpreting things to suit your argument. A bullet fired in the air, for example, isn't necessarily a threat -- unless it's in the air NEAR YOU. If you misinterpret actions and consider them threats when they aren't, you won't necessarily be home free if you engage. When there are no witnesses, for example, and no clear evidence that you weren't the one who initiated the altercation, you may have problems.
In some legal jurisdictions you've just about got to twist yourself into a ball and roll away, rather than stand and deliver. And, even if you have a clean shoot (legally justified in court), it doesn't mean you won't still face civil suits. And, even without a civil suit, the process can wreck your life, and cost you much lost time and money. George Zimmerman has learned about that -- he's apparently got over $1 million in [non-civil suit] legal charges to deal with -- and he has scant hope of getting that from the state or the family of the guy he was dealing with.
Nobody's suggesting that you should roll over and play dead -- but could be suggesting that it's not as simple or as clear cut as you might think. The farther you are from your antagonist, the more murky it all becomes.
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Walt Sherrill
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There's a link to a discussion of this event here on THR, and links. The link to check is this one:
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/08/one-year-later-long-range-peach-house.html
You'll find that the shots were from 56 yards, that the shooter's (a man named Stacy) first shot hit his target (in the thigh) but didn't knock him out of action. The bad guy, Conner, returned one shot at Stacy, using a scoped lever-action rifle, and then reengaged an LEO who was armed with an AR. He apparently considered the LEO a greater threat.
The guy with the Python, Stacy, continued to shoot, and says he thinks he hit Conner three more times, but that was not confirmed -- as the coroner's report was not released. It could be that it was the LEO who knocked Conner out, rather than Stacy. It is not clear.
Stacy also said he probably should have grabbed the scoped Bushmaster by the door, but didn't. He was down to his last round when the shootout ended-- and had the LEO not also been engaged in the fracas, things might have turned out differently. Stacy could've grabbed both weapons when he left his place, and improved his odds even more.
I'm glad he was armed. I think he was brave. I also think he may have been more lucky than we know.
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From my experience, a revolver usually gives exceptional accuracy, right out of the box. Autoloaders generally are a bit looser, unless it is a target gun, or has been accurized. Here is comparison between my security six and a smith 52 target gun.
Here is a group from my XD-45, while no slouch, it doesn't print quite as tight a group as the smith 52. All the targets were shot at 25 yards with a rest.
In all cases, you are going to need to load your own, and develop an accurate combination of bullet and powder.
Good luck with your shooting
Dave
Here is a group from my XD-45, while no slouch, it doesn't print quite as tight a group as the smith 52. All the targets were shot at 25 yards with a rest.
In all cases, you are going to need to load your own, and develop an accurate combination of bullet and powder.
Good luck with your shooting
Dave
OilyPablo
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Rest = "culvert pipe"
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OilyPablo
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Fine shooting!
Hunter125
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You might be. The OP never mentioned that particilar situation.
Deer_Freak
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Where do you see the word shooting in my post? Quit trying to put words in my mouth. I said extreme circumstances.
Extreme circumstances would be some idiot taking pot shots at you with a rifle. Given that I have a shotgun or a rifle pretty close most of the time. I would try to get a long gun. I wouldn't stand up like I was Gene Autry and try to make a 50 yard shot with a pistol I would be carrying. No I don't carry one of the two pistols I own that I would be confident at 50 yards. Who carries a pistol with a 6" or 10" barrel? Movies or video games don't count.
I will stop right here before I write what I really think about the thread. It wouldn't be the high road.
Extreme circumstances would be some idiot taking pot shots at you with a rifle. Given that I have a shotgun or a rifle pretty close most of the time. I would try to get a long gun. I wouldn't stand up like I was Gene Autry and try to make a 50 yard shot with a pistol I would be carrying. No I don't carry one of the two pistols I own that I would be confident at 50 yards. Who carries a pistol with a 6" or 10" barrel? Movies or video games don't count.
I will stop right here before I write what I really think about the thread. It wouldn't be the high road.
Hunter125
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That was kinda my point.
joe88xj
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What he said....i purchased 3 new taurus model 94 .22 revolvers.....2 of the 3 had to go back for repairs....thats a 66% rate of failure!
Upon returning from Vietnam I went into law enforcement, part of our POST quals were at 50 yards. I qualified with M28/19/66 (over the years) shooting Remington 158gr SJHPs, 125s were several years away from being produced.
During this period of time a Trooper saved the life of another Trooper with a 100 yard shot across a parking lot, M28/4"/158gr SJHP. He and I later became friends and shooting buddies, often shooting our S&W service revolvers at paper plates at absurd distances.
Later, I worked with an officer who had worked felony squad from another state, his duty carry was a worked over M27/6" in a shoulder rig. I could hold my own past 100 yards with a worked over M66/ 4", but at long distances I shot his M27 better than my M66.
Living in a very rural area next to wilderness, I often carry a M686+/6" in a Bianchi shoulder rig during cooler months while wearing layered outer clothing. This carry has significant access advantages over hip carry while seated/driving and/or zipped/buttoned/snapped outer clothing.
Six inch barrels will also lengthen PBR (point blank range) because of increased MV. My 686+ is sighted in for 50 yards and its trigger is just as sweet as the M27 and M66 I wrote about above. Engage multiple targets, or rapid fire with the magnum and one will soon learn the advantages of smooth and light DA trigger pulls.
Six inch barrels are also advantageous when engaging a target(s) and there isn't enough time to use sights.
I've never put a worked over GP100 through its paces, so I can't comment on its pointability or trigger.
FWIW, last year I took out a coyote that changed direction and 'trotted' toward myself and GSD, guesstimated 75-80 yards and shot it with a Colt 1911 in 38 Super, distance turned out to be 95 yards.
During this period of time a Trooper saved the life of another Trooper with a 100 yard shot across a parking lot, M28/4"/158gr SJHP. He and I later became friends and shooting buddies, often shooting our S&W service revolvers at paper plates at absurd distances.
Later, I worked with an officer who had worked felony squad from another state, his duty carry was a worked over M27/6" in a shoulder rig. I could hold my own past 100 yards with a worked over M66/ 4", but at long distances I shot his M27 better than my M66.
Living in a very rural area next to wilderness, I often carry a M686+/6" in a Bianchi shoulder rig during cooler months while wearing layered outer clothing. This carry has significant access advantages over hip carry while seated/driving and/or zipped/buttoned/snapped outer clothing.
Six inch barrels will also lengthen PBR (point blank range) because of increased MV. My 686+ is sighted in for 50 yards and its trigger is just as sweet as the M27 and M66 I wrote about above. Engage multiple targets, or rapid fire with the magnum and one will soon learn the advantages of smooth and light DA trigger pulls.
Six inch barrels are also advantageous when engaging a target(s) and there isn't enough time to use sights.
I've never put a worked over GP100 through its paces, so I can't comment on its pointability or trigger.
FWIW, last year I took out a coyote that changed direction and 'trotted' toward myself and GSD, guesstimated 75-80 yards and shot it with a Colt 1911 in 38 Super, distance turned out to be 95 yards.
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