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I thought that this was a great article.

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Since 9/11, our nation has been obsessed with air-travel security.
Terrorist attacks from the air have been the threat that looms largest
in Americans' minds. As a result, we've wasted millions on misguided
programs to separate the regular travelers from the suspected
terrorists -- money that could have been spent to actually make us safer.

Consider CAPPS and its replacement, Secure Flight. These are programs
to check travelers against the 30,000 to 40,000 names on the
government's No-Fly list, and another 30,000 to 40,000 on its Selectee
list.

They're bizarre lists: people -- names and aliases -- who are too
dangerous to be allowed to fly under any circumstance, yet so innocent
that they cannot be arrested, even under the draconian provisions of
the Patriot Act. The Selectee list contains an equal number of
travelers who must be searched extensively before they're allowed to
fly. Who are these people, anyway?

The truth is, nobody knows. The lists come from the Terrorist Screening
Database, a hodgepodge compiled in haste from a variety of sources,
with no clear rules about who should be on it or how to get off it. The
government is trying to clean up the lists, but -- garbage in, garbage
out -- it's not having much success.

The program has been a complete failure, resulting in exactly zero
terrorists caught. And even worse, thousands (or more) have been denied
the ability to fly, even though they've done nothing wrong. These
denials fall into two categories: the "Ted Kennedy" problem (people who
aren't on the list but share a name with someone who is) and the "Cat
Stevens" problem (people on the list who shouldn't be). Even now, four
years after 9/11, both these problems remain.

I know quite a lot about this. I was a member of the government's
Secure Flight Working Group on Privacy and Security. We looked at the
TSA's program for matching airplane passengers with the terrorist watch
list, and found a complete mess: poorly defined goals, incoherent
design criteria, no clear system architecture, inadequate testing. (Our
report was on the TSA website, but has recently been removed --
"refreshed" is the word the organization used -- and replaced with an
"executive summary" that contains none of the report's findings. The
TSA did retain two rebuttals, which read like products of the same
outline and dismiss our findings by saying that we didn't have access
to the requisite information.) Our conclusions match those in two
reports by the Government Accountability Office and one by the DHS
inspector general.

Alongside Secure Flight, the TSA is testing Registered Traveler
programs. There are two: one administered by the TSA, and the other a
commercial program from Verified Identity Pass called Clear. The basic
idea is that you submit your information in advance, and if you're OK
-- whatever that means -- you get a card that lets you go through
security faster.

Superficially, it all seems to make sense. Why waste precious time
making Grandma Miriam from Brooklyn empty her purse when you can search
Sharaf, a 26-year-old who arrived last month from Egypt and is
traveling without luggage?

The reason is security. These programs are based on the dangerous myth
that terrorists match a particular profile and that we can somehow pick
terrorists out of a crowd if we only can identify everyone. That's
simply not true.

What these programs do is create two different access paths into the
airport: high-security and low-security. The intent is to let only good
guys take the low-security path and to force bad guys to take the
high-security path, but it rarely works out that way. You have to
assume that the bad guys will find a way to exploit the low-security
path. Why couldn't a terrorist just slip an altimeter-triggered
explosive into the baggage of a registered traveler?

It may be counterintuitive, but we are all safer if enhanced screening
is truly random, and not based on an error-filled database or a cursory
background check.

The truth is, Registered Traveler programs are not about security;
they're about convenience. The Clear program is a business: Those who
can afford $80 per year can avoid long lines. It's also a program with
a questionable revenue model. I fly 200,000 miles a year, which makes
me a perfect candidate for this program. But my frequent-flier status
already lets me use the airport's fast line and means that I never get
selected for secondary screening, so I have no incentive to pay for a
card. Maybe that's why the Clear pilot program in Orlando, Florida,
only signed up 10,000 of that airport's 31 million annual passengers.

I think Verified Identity Pass understands this, and is encouraging use
of its card everywhere: at sports arenas, power plants, even office
buildings. This is just the sort of mission creep that moves us ever
closer to a "show me your papers" society.

Exactly two things have made airline travel safer since 9/11:
reinforcement of cockpit doors, and passengers who now know that they
may have to fight back. Everything else -- Secure Flight and Trusted
Traveler included -- is security theater. We would all be a lot safer
if, instead, we implemented enhanced baggage security -- both ensuring
that a passenger's bags don't fly unless he does, and explosives
screening for all baggage -- as well as background checks and increased
screening for airport employees.

Then we could take all the money we save and apply it to intelligence,
investigation and emergency response. These are security measures that
pay dividends regardless of what the terrorists are planning next,
whether it's the movie plot threat of the moment, or something entirely
different.

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Hey mbt2001, we HAVE to keep those dangerous people off of our nations airlines. Like this potential terrorist...
US no-fly list vexes travelers from babies on up

By Caroline Drees, Security Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sarah Zapolsky was checking in for a flight to Italy when she discovered her 9-month-old son's name was on the United States' "no-fly" list of suspected terrorists.

"We pointed down to the stroller, and he sat there and gurgled," Zapolsky said, recalling the incident at Dulles International Airport outside Washington in July. "The desk agent started laughing. ... She couldn't print us out a boarding pass because he's on the no-fly list."

Zapolsky, who did not want her son's name made public, said she was initially amused by the mix-up. "But when I found out you can't actually get off the list, I started to get a bit annoyed

Contineues at: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsa..._0_US-SECURITY-NOFLY.xml&pageNumber=0&summit=

While some would argue that infants on aircraft are WMD, this is ludicrous.
 
And those wonderful folks at TSA are still "slow walking", correct me if I'm wrong, the arming, actually REARMING of commercial airline pilots, or should one refer to them as FFDO's.

The following is speculative, but had the pilots of the 4 hijacked airliners been armed, as pilots used to be, the results obtained at the end of that particular day might have been entirely different. Neither the bureaucrats nor the airlines want to talk or think about that.

By the way, respecting the presence on TSA's NO FLY LIST of a 9 month old infant, does that example of YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK, make you feel any safer?
 
mbt2001 said:
Consider CAPPS and its replacement, Secure Flight...

And further... Flight attendents on airlines, from stewards to pilots, should be armed. This makes common sense. While the pilot may take advantage of a sidearm, stewards might make use of taser or non-life threatening weapons which don't endanger the aircraft body if employed... I have been on several flights where an electric weapon could have been used by flight attendants to handle a rowdy and drink passenger!

Having an armed pilot and co-pilot would go far to prevent in-air incidents. Additionally, sealing and securing the cockpit with locks (only can be opened from inside, during flight, would also assist!

You want to see air security? Fly a plane in Israel! They don't mess around...
 
I certainly agree with arming, after a fashion, all of the staff or at least key staff of a plane. How much would a can of mace and a taser been worth on the 9/11 planes? With armed pilots, things would have been different.

However, our executive office has decided that it isn't worth enforcing the will of the people.:cuss:
 
I've been wondering more about creative ways of chartering flights - finding someone "going that way" or "needs air time", who will take a few hundred bucks to get me there without pawing thru my luggage or stuffing me in cattle class. Professional charters are too expensive by about 5x ... I'm looking more for unprofessional charters looking to share a ride & cover costs.
 
ctdonath said:
I've been wondering more about creative ways of chartering flights - finding someone "going that way" or "needs air time", who will take a few hundred bucks to get me there without pawing thru my luggage or stuffing me in cattle class. Professional charters are too expensive by about 5x ... I'm looking more for unprofessional charters looking to share a ride & cover costs.

Check these folks out

http://www.satsair.com/air_taxi.html
 
And those wonderful folks at TSA are still "slow walking", correct me if I'm wrong, the arming, actually REARMING of commercial airline pilots, or should one refer to them as FFDO's.
Those guys have to volunteer for the program, go through the application process, and take vacation time to attend the training. The class always seems to be full, though, a testament to many of those folks.
 
The last time I was at the Loo airport I observed........

Without exception (this is anecdotal) every TSA uniform I observed was filled to capacity and then some by an obese employee.

A bad guy who got caught with a shoe bomb or whatever could have outrun these "public servents" in a wheel chair.

The only "secure" way of air travel is as indicated

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admit it.

Secure.
 
The reason is security. These programs are based on the dangerous myth
that terrorists match a particular profile and that we can somehow pick
terrorists out of a crowd if we only can identify everyone.

Bullplop.
 
The whole TSA issue is a farce. nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to 9/11. Arm the Piolets (if they choose), arm the flight attendants (if they choose), arm the police who fry on airplanes (if they choose), arm the passangers (if they choose). Lets see a terrorist make it past that!! :neener:

Regards,
 
TSA is a joke.

Next thing you know they will be screening your rectum in the name of safety.

Arm the pilots with lethal weapons.
Arm the flight attendants with non-leathal weapons.

Case closed.
 
Why is it that every "security" person I encounter at the airport is a 4'10" tall pear-shaped grandmother? I have to be careful and look for them so I don't walk right by them by mistake. "Whoops, sorry, I didn't see you down there. Now will you please let go of my ankle? Oh, yes -- BOTH of you!"

I remember soon after 9/11 somebody got past security by moving one of the folding tables that had been set up to direct the sheep... "But he MOVED the TABLE! We can't be expected to maintain security when people MOVE the TABLES!"

I don't think giving the "flight attendants" weapons would be of much use. Last week I saw a flight attendant escort a hothead up to the open cabin door so he could rant to the captain... LOL. Giving the pilot the ability to gas the passenger compartment might be a good idea though.

At least we have the Air Marshalls... sometimes.
 
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