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As much as a I hate doing other peoples homework I will give you some information.
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Thank you for the generosity, I didn't want to go on an online ORS goose chase. I know your knife is legal and legal to carry if not "concealed". You stated "the law says 1 inch must be showing." I just wanted to know which ORS # because I never ran across it and I dont have an ORS with me.

It also includes court decisions and state and county ordinances as to what is to be concidered concealed and what is not.
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Thanks, this explains it, and I will request this information from them. This is not a law though, just interpretations of it. Still have the problem that if you use the knife, how do you prove it was clipped on and 1 inch visible before you used it?
 
Bullfrog, are you a small child? You are wrong about the knife laws in Oregon so you are going way back to when I first joined this board and selecting small clips of things I said then presenting them out of context??? I guess I should be flattered but I just find it sad.

I myself have stated time and time again how the opinions of others on this board and intelligent arguments from those people have changed many of my earlier views on guns and CCW (you definately not included in this group of people). I guess you just overlooked all that in your pathetic little smear campaign.

I repeat once again (not directed at any certain person)..."sometimes the biggest threat to RKBA are the small minded and spiteful people that proclaim to love it so".

Truely, truely sad.
 
Thanks, this explains it, and I will request this information from them. This is not a law though, just interpretations of it. Still have the problem that if you use the knife, how do you prove it was clipped on and 1 inch visible before you used it?
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That is a matter that would have to be decided by the courts but it is really the same thing as asking "how would you prove your firearm was being properly concealed and not provoking someone" if you ever had to shoot someone. In self defense it is unlikely a DA would prosecute on such a small matter since it is only a class b misdemeanor to carry it concealed anyway.

I am not sure where to find all the information available but I do know when I bought my Godfather it came with a little paper that described the clip and how it was designed to meet the non-concealed carry requirements of my state and others.
 
Still have the problem that if you use the knife, how do you prove it was clipped on and 1 inch visible before you used it?
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Umm.... unless things have changed, the burden is not his to prove.
 
...have a prove it or shut up attitude...
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Yeah, tell us where this description of concealment is described as "one inch showing"

Proof please.

Truly truly sad.

Aaaw I'm just messing around Penguin...:D
 
If I'm not continuously running the Simpsons inside my head, I'm playing "what if" scenarios instead.
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"This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit!!! Good luck in your death trap girls!!!"-Homer

That ones runs through my head all the time in a bar. :)

Great. Now I have this mental image of PlayboyPenguin breaking into the 2nd verse of Neil Diamond's Sweet Caroline with his switch in one hand and his seecamp in the other.
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You can rest assured I am never foolish enough to try and actually sing. I have a singing voice that sounds like strangling a cat. my partner however is a trained vocalist. gay bar karaoke is more like musical theater than it is regular karaoke. Some real talent there.
 
Yeah, tell us where this description of conceilment is described as "one inch showing"
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I called my local sheriff's office and two major knife manufacturers here in Oregon (Benchmade and Gerber). Feel free to verify this information yourself. :)

My lawyer's definition is even less restrictive. He said if even the clip is visible it is not concealed since to be concealed it must be completely hidden from view. Similar to the reason why we can be charged with not concealing our weapons if they become at all visible while carrying.
 
STAGE 2 said: Umm.... unless things have changed, the burden is not his to prove.
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The burden is roughly equivalent to one we have we asked for evidence we have a carry permit for our gun, have a sales tax certificate hanging on the wall of a retail store, or otherwise have to comply with the law.

PlayboyPenguin said: You are wrong about the knife laws in Oregon so you are going way back to when I first joined this board and selecting small clips of things I said then presenting them out of context???
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Not exactly. You have in the course of less than a year completely reversed your position and attitude on concealed carry, and now expect to be taken, at your word, as an authority on the matter. Forgive me if I find your credibility lacking, but I do. I still would like to see someplace this authoritative, precise language from a statute or case that you claim is so very clear. As I said, if its widely known, why can't it be found, and why are you the only one so far who knows of it? Are you expecting all of us to rely on marketing literature you got from a manufacturer, biased to sell its goods to a customer, as your sole source? This Sheriff's office, can they cite the reference, or it is just their practice? Its a big difference. Now you're stating your attorney, real estate it was, told you only the "clip" needs be visible. I'm still suspicious of your claim.


PlayboyPenguin said: Bullfrog, are you a small child? . . . . I repeat once again (not directed at any certain person)..."sometimes the biggest threat to RKBA are the small minded and spiteful people that proclaim to love it so".
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And again with the insults. Small child, and I assume small mind? If you make an insult to no particular person, but address it to the group, then in your rationale is it not really an insult?

I'm persuaded you enjoy being flamboyant, attracting attention, and starting trouble. I guess that's just your way. I enjoy debates as much as the next guy, but I don't get personal with them When you take it there so quickly, as you often do, it bothers me. You insulted this community - meaning gun owners in general and us in specific - when I first saw you arrive. You are still doing it. You may have changed your mind regards to walking about society personally armed, but you haven't changed how you think about us "small minded joe smoes".


Honestly, I think its a wonderful, great sign of maturity and growth to see one persuaded about such a personal, grave matter. And I'm pleased to see you enjoying the rights some of us have exercised for decades. However, I bristle at your attitude about how you make claims with "obvious evidence" then decide its for us to disprove them. You are a product of higher education. Is that the form of dissertation you were permitted?


I'm sorry to have highjacked the topic, all. I'm sure this is about 3 posts from being locked by now, and I know a few of you would have liked to see that law about switchblades before it happened. I know I would, simply because I've never seen language so precise before and would like to learn its history. Hopefully, we can remain civil enough to permit someone else to post it before that occurs.
 
bad neighborhoods

i lived in dc for much of my life and never found i needed to worry that much. beyond what is for me a normal sa i lived in some of the cheapest parts of town without needing more.
but different strokes for different folks
 
Bullfrog,

On whom you think this behavior reflects badly? Me or you?

I have admitted many times in the past that I have been "converted" in a sense as to my attitudes towards concealed carry. Is this something you see as a bad thing? People changing their opinions more positively towards CCW?

As to me confessing to be an expert on CCW, i would like to have you repeat where I said any such thing. I simply stated how things are here in Oregon (even stated I called other authorities for clarification). You just seem to be unable to except the fact that...

A. you can own an automatic knife in oregon (even though other oregonians and many websites have backed me up even though you do not or never have lived here)
B. you can carry it non-concealed in oregon (see above comments)

You cannot change the facts of the discussion so you then turn to trying to smear me for some odd reason by going all the way back to when i first joined this board and selecting old clips to suit your agenda and posting them without the context of the conversation they were presented in nor relevent information added since. I am sorry I am somehow such a threat to you in some way that I cannot understand.
 
Holy cow!

Here I sit in the middle of the war in Iraq and I find myself NOWHERE near as tightly wrapped as Mr Penguin. Perhaps I could suggest a good mental health proffessional in the greater Portland area.;)
 
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