Anyone have a tackdrivin' 7.62x39?

[Weedy]

I know many of you think "tackdriving 7.62x39" is an oxymoron but I'm just wondering...do any of you guys have/know of a 7.62x39 that will shoot sub MOA groups? If so, what type of rifle/setup? What type of ammo? Just a question I thought of while driving from DC to Chicago the other day. Thinking about all the stuff I've heard about the "lack of inherent accuracy", etc, of this cartridge.

For the record I have a WASR-10 that definitely does not shoot sub-MOA, at least not with me shooting it using the factory sights...

 

[conrad427]

t/c anything with a ssk barrel and handloads. The 7.62x39 is quite a good design efficiency wise and a couple of good benchrest rounds are similar designs. I read about a tc that would put them into three quarters.

 

[M1key]

Ruger M77 Stainless
4x Leupold scope
125 Sierra SP (.312)
25.5gr A1680
5 shots
.75 inches
100 yards


Colt 20 inch HBAR
3-9x scope
Winchester 123 FMJ
5 shots
1.0 inches
100 yards


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[my762buzz]

I know many of you think "tackdriving 7.62x39" is an oxymoron but I'm just wondering...do any of you guys have/know of a 7.62x39 that will shoot sub MOA groups? If so, what type of rifle/setup? What type of ammo? Just a question I thought of while driving from DC to Chicago the other day. Thinking about all the stuff I've heard about the "lack of inherent accuracy", etc, of this cartridge.

For the record I have a WASR-10 that definitely does not shoot sub-MOA, at least not with me shooting it using the factory sights...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=361106

7.62x39 does not lack inherent accuracy

 

[chris in va]

CZ 527 with handloads typically gets around 1moa.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I built the rifle in the link posted above and I can say without a doubt 7.62x39 is as accurate as anything shooting ammunition of similar quality







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[ApacheCoTodd]

I have a 20" Colt and never really gave shooting it much thought as I bought it for the lower and accompanying spare upper. Were I to shoot it yet not wanting to tool up to reload, who's selling the best factory 7.62X39 now?

 

[tmccray45]

You asked for a setup that will "accurately" shoot the 7.62x39 cartridge.

Yeah, I have one - an H&R Handi that will shoot a 20-round 1 inch group from 100 yards. And that's consistently shoot a 20-round 1 inch group from 100 yards.

I handload using a 123 or 125 bullet and IMR-4198 load. If it were legal to hunt with a rifle in my part of Maryland, I'd use this rifle above all others.

 

[cyclopsshooter]

Olympic AR15 with free floating will do it.. best results are with Federal and Winchester SPs

 

[Sam1911]

Here's a little advice -- read R.W.Dale's book on the subject whenever he gets it written!

I doubt there's a more exhaustive resource on the subject.

 

[Nullcone]

Yeah, I have one - an H&R Handi that will shoot a 20-round 1 inch group from 100 yards. And that's consistently shoot a 20-round 1 inch group from 100 yards.

I handload using a 123 or 125 bullet and IMR-4831 load. If it were legal to hunt with a rifle in my part of Maryland, I'd use this rifle above all others.

What's the bore on that Handi? I've read .311 and didn't think the bullets really had that kind if accuracy in them. What bullet, in particular, are you using? Surely you can't sub any 123-125 .311 slug...

Isn't 4831 awfully slow for such a small case and light bullet? What charge are you using and what kind of velocities are you getting? ES/SD?

I'd put up a bragging picture for a (consistent or not) group like that. The only way I'd ever expect a 100 yard 1 inch 20-shot group from a 7.62x39 Handi is if it had a 99 yard barrel and was clamped in a vise.

 

[tmccray45]

Nullcone

What's the bore on that Handi? I've read .311 and didn't think the bullets really had that kind if accuracy in them. What bullet, in particular, are you using? Surely you can't sub any 123-125 .311 slug...

Isn't 4831 awfully slow for such a small case and light bullet? What charge are you using and what kind of velocities are you getting? ES/SD?

I'd put up a bragging picture for a (consistent or not) group like that. The only way I'd ever expect a 100 yard 1 inch 20-shot group from a 7.62x39 Handi is if it had a 99 yard barrel and was clamped in a vise.

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Graybeard's Forum seems to think that the bore on the Handi 7.62x39 is .311. I've never slugged it, so I cannot be absolutely sure, but I use .311 bullets.

As to the actual bullets I use, I just went downstairs to check - Winchester 125 and Remington 123 grain bullets. It doesn't seem to make any difference between the two, but, because I have more of the Winchester, I suspect that is the one I use more.

The load I got from the Hodgdon site. Because I was so surprised at the results of my initial load, I haven't bothered to tweak it any. Look it up - 24.0 grains of IMR-4198 giving a velocity of 2250 fps. (Again, look it up to verify.)

I actually DID take a picture so I could have a bragging story to tell one of the guys at work. Because I've gone through several computers (couple of bad hard drives), I've lost the picture.

A little info about me and the Handi - I'm 66 years old and, because my children have grown and left the home, I took up the sport of shooting only about 4-5 years ago. I shoot at a range and typically rest my elbows on the range table to take aim. That rifle has a 3-9 Nikon scope on it and, instead of swapping that barrel on and off that receiver, the 7.62x39 barrel stays on the receiver. I am goofy about cleaning it, but other than that, it's an off-the-shelf rifle.

 

[Lloyd Smale]

what do you consider a tack driver. Both my bushmaster ar and my ruger 77 will shoot 5 shot groups at an inch or a tad better with vmaxs.

 

[woad_yurt]

Although I've never done any methodical measuring of groups, I have a Norinco SKS Paratrooper w/a peep sight that is a wonder. It'll hit clay pigeons at 100 yards every time. I also had a regular Norinco SKS that would do the same thing.

I don't know what it'll do on paper because I don't try for pinpoint shots. It's more of a fast-target-acquisition thing for me.

 

[res45]

Ammo makes up a good majority of the accuracy potential with the 7.62 x 29 a rifle in very good to excellent condition is also another part of the equation. Steel case ammo of which I have found golden tiger to be the most accurate and consistent over any other brand shoot about 2" groups in these rifles.

1970 Yugo M59/66A1 at 100 yds. with hand loads,inner circle is 1"


5 shots at 50yds. hand loads.


Same with the Chinese SKS using hand loads.


Now if I load up these two rifle with 165 gr. cast bullet loads the Yugo will shoot under 1" at 100 yds. and the Chinese will shoot groups smaller than the Yugo with same load. Both bores slugged out at .312" They both shoot the .310 dia. 123 gr. jacketed bullets best followed by .311 150 grs. for cast loads a .314" dia. bullet shoots most accurately.

No offense but the AK was designed to be a MG first and lay down large quantities of steel and lead downrange. Most of us just get to use it in semi auto mode and try to shoot it like a rifle that it was never intended to be,the short sight radius and the big fat front sight post doesn't help either. Both My SKS rifle sport the Techsight front sight target post $7 shipped to your door.

 

[Marlin 45 carbine]

not my Mini30 189 series but I've tweaked it enuff to beat around MOA benched with my good handloads of Hornady .310 sp.
have had some promising results with Speer 150gr sp's. adds some 'grunt' to that X39 according to the calculator

 

[Weedy]

Thanks guys...just one of those thoughts that popped into my head. My WASR is reasonably accurate, at least better than I thought it would be based on all the "stuff" I've heard about AK-type rifles and accuracy. Good info here, I may look into getting an SKS if I can find a good one. I don't know why but I like the 7.62x39. Low recoil, enough for deer, fun to shoot, cheap.