atf bust in nashville this week

[mikelost]

I happen to be the brother in law of this gentleman charged with all these crimes against humanity and the only thing Jay is guilty of is bad judgement.One hears about how the news and police get ahold of something and runs with it all the time and I guess one assumes that its always the other guy that it happens to.

This guy is very intelligent and loves to tinker with things and being ex-military I guess when your doing it on the job its okay but god forbid if your disabled and have alot of down time that you continue to play around with toys as he calls it.

Being somewhat of an insider to what happened I could certainly expound on a few things in here but rest assured,all that was pictured on the news was certainly a mock up and in totally unworkable condition.So he had a few pot plants,he has suffered with a bad back for over 20 years and if it helps him,more power to him. Any kid with a chemistry set in their house could be accused of having a so called meth-lab.

It bothers me that some people seem only to lower themselves to call him names that you would hear coming from kids on a playground.A podunk or idiot he is not.It seems the one with the biggest mouth has a kid who is serving a life sentance,,well what kind of loser are you that you let that happen to your own child,obviously you failed somewhere.

Anyways,I like what the one person said about walking around their house and taking stock of what you have and considering what could possibly land you in jail.Here is another little tidbit,the only way they were able to get a search warrant was because on the same roll of film they had pictures of their house and a legible house number in it.Sooooooooo thinking of that ,one could go out and with a 35 mm camera take a few pictures of an rpg and maybe some bomb looking thing off the internet..pull up in front on someone's house that you might have a gripe with ..take a few pictures of their house.Include the maibox and for extra effect,a picture of a car in the drive way with a legible tag number..put their name and address on the envelope and drop it off at the local store and guess what.

<Edited by Art for paragraphing>

 

[Coldblue]

Another vet done wrong!

I have read all of the statements about this man, Mr. Duncan, who happens to be my neighbor. I do not know him very well, but I believe he has been railroaded by the ATF and local, county and state police.

First off I can't believe that any cop would be such an idiot to believe that picture of a model rpg was real! I didn't realize that models, scale models and any kind of non-firing weapon was illegal. The only thing his model may have fired might have been a potato (looked like a fancy looking potato gun to me). I don't believe potato guns are illegal.

"He had 20 firearms" So what! It's his right to own them. Almost everyone I know has guns, none of them have ever killed anyone with them. I have been around guns all of my life, both of my grandfathers were in WWII and both of them made sure to teach me from a very young age about how to properly handle and maintain rifles, shotguns, pistols, black powder rifles, etc.

I am a gun owner, I got my first .22 rifle when I was 10, and a 20 gauge shotgun for hunting quail, dove, rabbits and squirrels. Hmmm whats so wrong about that? Even if he had military weapons...so what? I'd say being a USMC vet would make him plenty qualified to own any weapon he wanted. (I guess the atf thinks it was ok for him to have weapons when he was defending OUR freedom, but not now?) Gimmie a break.

"A possible meth lab" B.S. He probably owns a coleman stove just like 95% of everyone else. And maybe he's like me and has allergies. Therefore you may have meds for those allergies. I can relate to his back pain because I've lived with degenerative disc disease for quite a few years. I've had surgery a few times and was told I had spinal cord damage that may never heal and would likely have more surgery. I was also told the severe pain I have to deal with on a daily basis would probably never get better. I know for a fact that meds don't always help. Everyones body is different and after being on perscription pain killers for years, they work less effectively over time eventually getting to where they do nothing (or very little) to help the pain.

If he had a small amount of pot that he used for pain.....SO WHAT! He wasn't selling it or giving it to children. Just so you know Montel Williams and Neil Cavuto both have back diseases and they use perscribed marijuana for their pain because they both said it was the only thing that helped and that they had tried all other pain management options. I have this to say about them blowing up an "unknown substance": It was done somewhere nearby because it shook my whole house. When I say shook I mean the dishes, pictures and everything else shook. It really woke me up, so I went out and made sure everything and everyone was ok and that mine or my neighbor's house was not on fire.

What really amazes me is that they blew up an "unknown substance" right in the middle of many neighborhoods. Brilliant! <Art's Grammaw edited> If they did'nt know what it was they would have never blown the stuff up and risked a cloud of "unknown" vapor to drift throughout our neighborhood. Then again I don't give to much credit to big brother (especially around here) for being overly bright. I think they botched this one badly and decided to make a big "boom" to help them save face.

I hope my neighbor comes out of this deal ok. Because I know how the gov. works sometimes.....They mess up.....you pay the price because none of them want to admit that they were morons and could'nt tell the differance between a toy and a real rpg. And the police want you to depend on them for your safety? It's no wonder everyone who has any brains has a gun (or more) to defend their family from the "bad guys".

 

[halfmile]

Mrs. winslow's soothing serup. good for colicky babies, rheumatizm, & many other disorders. Active ingredient: Morphine sulphate(lheroin).
Used and blessed by the whole country.

How about Coca-Cola? took them a few years to remove the cocaine derivative.

Of curse now that full employment in the legal and correctional divisions of our government depends on demonizing almost everything that can't be taxed, You can bet there will soon be EEG stations all around the country to make wure you haven't been meditating or other dangerous unamerican activities.

PFFFT!

HM

 

[oldfart]

"Remove the object of addiction and the addict will find another."

I believe this statement is key. We all know weak people. Sometimes they're people we really love but that doesn't change the fact that they are basically weak. Many of these people will become addicted to hard drugs, MJ or even cigarettes and liquor. I have a daughter who is addicted to almost all of the above. She's 47 years old and I expect to outlive her. I think Aryfrosty and I both have drawn a short straw with regard to some of our kids. Fortunately, I have others that have turned our quite well, one can only hope Aryfrosty does too.
I don't use drugs except for those I get at the pharmacy, but I really don't care if others do. Even my daughter. She's old enough to make her own mistakes... and pay for them too. The drugs she takes are not the problem. The problem is her lack of willpower and low self-esteem. It might be that I am responsible for that, but how to explain the other kids who are doing so well?
Darwin exposed us to 'survival of the fittest' but he didn't tell us about all the ramifications. To be "fit" in today's world one must be strong morally as well as physically. Not all of us are qualify in either column.
Sorry about your son Aryfrosty. He may have met my daughter at some time or other.

 

[Brett Bellmore]

The big boom is a standard technique: If you or I do it, it's called "destruction of evidence."

After all, once they've blown the stuff up, the jury has to take their word for what the stuff was, don't they?

 

[DRZinn]

What did he do to injure me?
He exists...

Thank you for summing up so succinctly the attitude of a statist.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[Gunfire]

One hears about how the news and police get ahold of something and runs with it all the time and I guess one assumes that its always the other guy that it happens to.

You know why Prohibition was repealed? It wasn't because the politicians realized and/or cared that it was infringing on Freedom. It was Jury Nullification. We have the jury box when the ballot box doesn't work.

The wod, wot and the war on the 2A are nothing but a war on the People and their inalienable rights and Freedoms.

We have a tool they can't take away to force the repeal of unjust and oppressive law. Jury Nullification, use it!

 

[BryanP]

Here's a local TV news story about it, with a link to video:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/9543099/detail.html

And here's the alleged model/rocket launcher:

 

[hammer4nc]

Y'all ought to click on the link above, and watch the video...it shows some of the "rockets", and a few words of explanation from the "suspect". He got narced on by the local photomat guy who processed pics of his mock-ups. Judge for yourself.

My take, this guy has about as much to do with meth as my grandmother. I made better "rocket launchers", and play rifles for our war games, when I was about 9 years old.

He admits to medical marijuana. Big whoop.

Let the demonization begin. What a typical waste of enforcement resources. I'm wondering how far this will continue spinning before a judge laughs it out of court. More likely, he'll accept a plea deal to make it go away (and ATF can avoid being embarrassed).