AZ introduces bill for 99% permitless CCW

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That is great news.
Arizona has seems to have some freedom loving representatives in power.


M14/11B - AZ its warmer and has better geriatric medicine.
Unfortunately at the rate of growth AZ is going to be one giant expensive city before long.
I can recall places 20 years ago that were about an hour from Phoenix at high freeway speeds which are now part of the same metropolis.
Because it is predominantly flat desert in most of the southern half there really is no end to how quickly everything is swallowed up in the expansion and growth (and therefore decay as well during recession from the excessive growth.)

A giant (and hot) flat metropolis will not likely be freedom loving in a few generations when the majority of the voting population resides in such an area. If we look around the nation the biggest metro areas with dense populations generaly have the voting block most against 2nd Amendment freedoms, and most in favor of rapidly creating new laws and agencies for everything else under the sun (which in turn means more agencies of government costing more taxes.)
The giant metro area surrounding Phoenix, but including many other cities and jurisdictions swalled in the growth is responsible for most of the anti legislation.
Just pull out a satelite map and take a look at AZ. See that giant plaguelike area that looks like one enermous city in the middle of the desert with Phoenix in the center? That thing is bigger than many similar growths across the nation because it has very few natural geographical limits.

The warmth also appeals more to out of state people, which means transplants who bring thier ideas of what type of legislation is normal "common sense" move in much quicker, and not just on gun rights issues, but great restrictions and accompanying bureaucracy on a broad spectrum.
A lot of them from neighboring CA for example.

Montana on the other hand is less inviting to transplants with CA type voting records. As a result more likely to still be free years down the road.
Of course it has such a low population any large influx could dramaticly change its political situation.
 
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roscoe said:
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Federal law doesn't allow unlicensed carry on school grounds.

That law was overturned by the Supreme Court. The feds have no jurisdiction in state schools.

The Federal Gun Free Schools Act was passed by Congress to address the Supreme Court objections. It is current law.
 
The Federal Gun Free Schools Act was passed by Congress to address the Supreme Court objections. It is current law.

The 1996 version includes a substantial change.

Congress changed the gravamen of the offense from possessing a firearm in a school zone to possessing a firearm "that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce" in a school zone.

Most legal scholars have dismissed it's validity.

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?50+Duke+L.+J.+637

And, since many states already allow carry in schools; California and Utah off the top of my head, what exactly is your point that the law is still in place?

Arizona would be just one more state doing what is already being done.

Bill Clinton himself, when he signed this law, said that he knew deep down it really wasn't going to work.
 
In Pa., reading from the pamphlet provided by my county, we may not carry a firearm in Federal Buildings, Post Offices, all courts and School property. Someone told me that uears ago we were prohibited from carrying in any establishment that served alcohol, but the law was changed.
 
this is the idea folks. we need to go on the offensive. Conservatives and 2nd amendent supporters need to stop being defensive. Put libbie gun grabbers on the defense. The offense eventually wins, just like football.
 
Is there any AZ gun-rights .org that's backing this? I'd be happy to send them a ten-spot just as an "attaboy", though I've barely ever been to AZ.

Here in TX, the UT Austin Student Government just passed a resolution against current legal attempts to allow CCW on college campuses in TX. Their vote has no actual power, but my UT friends who showed up to support CCW were very annoyed.

They said student gov't was mostly sorority girls in liberal arts majors who needed some resume padding and thus got all their friends to vote for them. Wish I'd been there, as the most amusing bit was some 20yr old rich girls from the suburbs opining "As a Psychology major, I feel that the great stress placed upon students is deadly when combined with firearms..."


Glad to see that AZ is pushing to join Alaska and Vermont in the "no permit needed" club. We had a thread last year about what state would be next, and most folks were betting MT, ND, or WY. This is a pleasant surprise.
 
the Decision is United States vs Lopez. It essentially says that the U.S. Government has no power to create gun free zones at schools.
here is part of the Wikipedia article.

Supreme Court decision

The Supreme Court held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, it was not unlimited, and did not apply to something as far from commerce as carrying handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale. (A later case, United States v. Morrison (2000), ruled that Congress could not make such laws even when there was evidence of aggregate effect.)

Chief Justice Rehnquist, delivering the opinion of the court, wrote that the court had identified three broad categories of activity that Congress could regulate under the Commerce clause:

* the channels of commerce,
* the instrumentalities of commerce, or persons or things in interstate commerce, even if the threat comes from intrastate activities, and
* action that substantially affects interstate commerce, in relation to a broad regulatory scheme
 
Dang it, I got here late and got beat to the School Carry decision. One of the few victories for 10A in a long time.
 
TexasRifleman said:
The Federal Gun Free Schools Act was passed by Congress to address the Supreme Court objections. It is current law.

The 1996 version includes a substantial change.


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Congress changed the gravamen of the offense from possessing a firearm in a school zone to possessing a firearm "that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce" in a school zone.

Most legal scholars have dismissed it's validity.

No, Congress stated that all firearms have moved in interstate commerce. Legal scholers may doubt the validity of the act but it hasn't been challenged in court and I don't want to be the test case.

And, since many states already allow carry in schools; California and Utah off the top of my head, what exactly is your point that the law is still in place?

California does not permit carry in schools. Federal law prohibits carry unless you have a permit (CCW) from the state in which the school is located. Non resident permits from other states do not count. Also, the Federal law requires that all firearms (including rifles and shotguns) be in locked containers or racks when traveling in a school zone, unless exempted.

Those are my points.
 
California does not permit carry in schools.

You sure about that? California Penal Code 626.9L says regarding guns in schools:

(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4
, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision

It's my understanding that is CCW holders. Not a lawyer etc but that is quoted pretty regularly on CCW websites.
 
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