Fishman777
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Let me put it this way. I'd rather have Jerry with me if the SHTF - unless the threat was a quarter mile away, then I might want Bob.
Bob Munden vs. Jerry Miculek?
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I agree when it comes to trick shots and draw munden is king, reloads and sport shooting jerry hands down. but hey not far behind is bob H
http://www.midwesttraininggroup.net/fast.htm thats some of his videos
http://www.midwesttraininggroup.net/fast.htm thats some of his videos
Justin
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I've heard it said that Miculek can fire a revolver faster than a semi auto can mechanically cycle. I'd love to meet the man sometime.
Well, it might look and sound a bit like this (fast forward the vid to 5:00):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAPEs5gaaM&feature=related
edit: In this vid, ol' Jerry shows a semi auto can cycle pretty darned fast.
LeonCarr
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I watched a video of Bob Munden shooting a Browning Hi-Power so fast it sounded like a machine gun...he was basically bump firing a handgun 
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Just my .02,
LeonCarr
. Just my .02,
LeonCarr
+1 .........per the guys on the SASS board Bob Munden would never get into the SA Fast Draw matches because he was middle of the pack in speed. Watching him shoot makes that hard to swallow. I think to the best of my recollection the speed shooters used wax bullets at one time and then went to blanks popping balloons for score also. It might make you a might slower cocking a SA coming out the holster with a lead round than a blank! I have seen Bob Munden do some pretty amazing things with a revolver but I think Jerry is better.
He shoots two-handed, which isn't allowed in Cowboy Fastdraw, except for women and children (due to strength differences).
There was a split at some point.
Cowboy Fastdraw uses wax bullets and steel targets. Not sure what the blanks and balloons guys call the sport, but from what I understand, they don't do so well when they have to hit something.
He's just bumpfiring that 1911. He isn't actually completing a full trigger pull using his finger for each shot. Nothing against him (he's mega talented either way) but bumpfiring isn't exactly anything only a guy like him can do. The pistol is basically firing itself with it's own recoil (being pushed forward by his hand also) and his finger stays stationary the entire time.
I taped a few shows on the history channel the other day. One was sharpshooters and one was something else. I hope this is the one I taped because it looks really good.
There's a video of him on youtube reloading a revolver so fast it has to be seen to be believed.
RedLion
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There was a clip on American Shooter or something, where the exhibition shooter ( I don't remember who) fire a 1911 as fast as possible, then a single action as fast as possible. The 1911 sounded like a machine gun, but the single action sounded like one shot. It was only until they put it in slow motion that the three shots could be made out from the single action. He explained that it was faster because only the hammer moved and it only had to move a short distance compared to the slide on the 1911.
ceadermtnboy
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I dont want to highjack this thread, but I like to question which of two would you want to go into combat with. I'll take Jerry without a doubt!!
Based on the cyclic rate of the few full-auto pistols out there, Jerry is nowhere close to challenging the slide cycle time.
The Beretta 93R and the Glock 18, full-auto versions of common semi-auto pistols, both fire at well over 1000 rounds per minute--considerably faster than 16 shots per second. Jerry's record is around 8 shots per second--less than half as fast.
That's nothing against Jerry, I'm a huge fan of his shooting ability and his down-to-earth attitude. He's one of the very few celebrities that I would like to meet.
Firing a revolver by fanning and using more than one finger per sweep is very different (and MUCH faster) than pulling and releasing a DA trigger for each shot.
searcher451
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The question is akin to asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The only true way to make a determination is to get the two guys in question into a gunfight ... something that no one in their right right mind would go for, least of all the two guys in question. I suppose they could use paintball and video equipment to -- no, let's not go there either.
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The other thing to ponder is a fantisy of mine - Jerry and Bob fully armed walking in a bad part of town fully armed - two old guys just ready to be mugged and a group of fools try to do it. The outcome??
I'd pay to see that.
Second fantisy - Jerry and Bob with the Erp brothers at the OK Coral - probably be over much sooner.
Just some thoughts that go through my mind during dull moments.
The other thing to ponder is a fantisy of mine - Jerry and Bob fully armed walking in a bad part of town fully armed - two old guys just ready to be mugged and a group of fools try to do it. The outcome??
I'd pay to see that.
Second fantisy - Jerry and Bob with the Erp brothers at the OK Coral - probably be over much sooner.
Just some thoughts that go through my mind during dull moments.
JWF III
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It was Bob Munden. Yes, he fanned the hammer, but he was also bump-firing the 1911. 5 from the SAA in close to half the time of 5 from the 1911.
Doesn't make it any less impressive. Especially since he hit with each shot. And it would take one hell of a grip to control the recoil of each shot.
Wyman
The comment wasn't about what was or wasn't impressive. I think it's ALL very impressive.
The point is that they're two different things entirely.
What I'm trying to say is that the fact that someone may be able to fan an SA revolver and achieve a higher rate of fire than is achievable with a semi-auto is not evidence that a person can shoot a DA revolver faster than it is possible to cycle a semi-auto slide.
I can tell you based on the cyclic rate of full-auto versions of common sem-auto pistols that no one is capable of shooting a DA revolver faster than a typical semi-auto slide can cycle. They'd have to shoot more than twice as fast as Jerry Miculek's record.
On the other hand, it may very well be possible to fan an SA revolver and achieve a higher rate of fire than is possible with a semi-auto because the actions required to do so are very different than the ones required to fire a DA revolver.
The point is that they're two different things entirely.
What I'm trying to say is that the fact that someone may be able to fan an SA revolver and achieve a higher rate of fire than is achievable with a semi-auto is not evidence that a person can shoot a DA revolver faster than it is possible to cycle a semi-auto slide.
I can tell you based on the cyclic rate of full-auto versions of common sem-auto pistols that no one is capable of shooting a DA revolver faster than a typical semi-auto slide can cycle. They'd have to shoot more than twice as fast as Jerry Miculek's record.
On the other hand, it may very well be possible to fan an SA revolver and achieve a higher rate of fire than is possible with a semi-auto because the actions required to do so are very different than the ones required to fire a DA revolver.
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Runningman
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Can't believe know one here brought up Ed McGivern. Some of his records many decades ago still stands to this day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_McGivern
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From the man himself...
Why don't let's ask the man himself? (one of them anyway)
http://www.bob-munden.com/faq.htm
Q: Would you say that Jerry Miculek is now the Fastest Gun?
Bob Munden: Jerry is the very best I've ever seen at triggering a double-action revolver. He has won countless combat shooting titles with a revolver, also called a wheel gun. In terms of speed, we're talking apples and oranges if you try to compare his expertise with mine. First of all, the term fastest gun comes from western novels, movies and television. The fastest gun was always the guy who could draw a single-action six gun from leather, faster than anyone else. In modern competition, the sport of Fast Draw is always shot with a single-action revolver, which must be cocked first before it can fire. To fire a double-action revolver, pulling the trigger cocks the hammer so it can fire. Jerry Miculek is most known for his skill at super fast triggering with accuracy, using a .38 double-action revolver and a combat holster. I set my 18 world records in Fast Draw by drawing a .45 caliber single-action revolver from a cowboy-style holster, cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger for every shot. These are completely different skills with different equipment.
Why don't let's ask the man himself? (one of them anyway)
http://www.bob-munden.com/faq.htm
Q: Would you say that Jerry Miculek is now the Fastest Gun?
Bob Munden: Jerry is the very best I've ever seen at triggering a double-action revolver. He has won countless combat shooting titles with a revolver, also called a wheel gun. In terms of speed, we're talking apples and oranges if you try to compare his expertise with mine. First of all, the term fastest gun comes from western novels, movies and television. The fastest gun was always the guy who could draw a single-action six gun from leather, faster than anyone else. In modern competition, the sport of Fast Draw is always shot with a single-action revolver, which must be cocked first before it can fire. To fire a double-action revolver, pulling the trigger cocks the hammer so it can fire. Jerry Miculek is most known for his skill at super fast triggering with accuracy, using a .38 double-action revolver and a combat holster. I set my 18 world records in Fast Draw by drawing a .45 caliber single-action revolver from a cowboy-style holster, cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger for every shot. These are completely different skills with different equipment.
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