Joe Demko
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Imagine how surprised they will probably be in several other nations to find out that the it was, apparently, the US that single-handedly saved the world from oppression.
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Imagine how surprised they will probably be in several other nations to find out that the it was, apparently, the US that single-handedly saved the world from oppression.
Brass Fetcher
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Joe Demko,
Which part of Europe are you from?
Which part of Europe are you from?
Joe Demko
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JE223,
If you are either so jingoistic or so ignorant that you honestly believe the US single-handedly saved the world from oppression, then you and I have nothing to discuss. Perhaps you should try studying a little world history. When come back, bring pie.
If you are either so jingoistic or so ignorant that you honestly believe the US single-handedly saved the world from oppression, then you and I have nothing to discuss. Perhaps you should try studying a little world history. When come back, bring pie.
Perhaps you'd like to avoid the strawman arguments and deal with the statement. He didn't say the US single-handedly did it. But in terms of stiffening Europeans who often thought of appeasing the Sovs, and paying for a very large portion of their defense (as well as that of other nations), he's got a point. More so than you, since you had to modify the argument to win.
Joe. Do you really believe that if the US was not there to provide the leadership, cash, and men to stand guard in Europe that the Soviets would not have taken over all of Europe? If you are that stupid, no one can help you.
Yes, those countries participated, but the reality is that none of them had the post war resources to do much more than put up a token fight. It would have been over in a couple weeks.
Yes, those countries participated, but the reality is that none of them had the post war resources to do much more than put up a token fight. It would have been over in a couple weeks.
Joe Demko
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It insults the memory of every soldier and partisan not from the US who served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. to claim that the US was singlehandedly responsible for victory. If you are referring to Cold War activities, we supported enough murderous scumbags, because they were "anticommunist", that we are actually responsible for a fair amount of oppression.
The US is the only remaining superpower. We played key roles in much of recent history. Our record is mixed but good enough that we needn't make outrageous claims.
The US is the only remaining superpower. We played key roles in much of recent history. Our record is mixed but good enough that we needn't make outrageous claims.
Brass Fetcher
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To get back to the crux of the thread, I think the international 'fallout' from establishing what amounts to a DMZ with free-fire zone with Mexico, would be too great, at least now-adays. Although I do wonder why any country would feel ashamed to enforce its borders - I doubt many other countries in the world would allow themselves to have a porous border like ours.
To the original poster (and anyone with military experience), for the sake of arguement, what would the logistical demands look like to deploy the Army or NG all along the border? What sort of troop density/crew served equipment would be required?
To the original poster (and anyone with military experience), for the sake of arguement, what would the logistical demands look like to deploy the Army or NG all along the border? What sort of troop density/crew served equipment would be required?
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