Cz 2075 rami bd

[tzem68]

Does anybody out there own one of these?

I narrowed my search down to this gun, and was very excited when I got it in.

The Good - Solid. Feels sooo good. Looks awesome. It does shoot well (accurate).

The "Not so Good" - This gun comes with (2) magazines - a flush mount 10 round mag, and an "extended" 14 round mag. With 10 rounds in the 10 round mag, when you move it / shake it, it sounds like a pack of tic-tacs. Take one round out, and it's quiet. After talking to CZ-USA support, they said that this was normal for any gun of this size. Really??? Of my nine pistols, this is the only one to make any noise when shaken.

If this is CZ's stance, I will opt to carry it with 9 rounds in the mag, not 10. The guy on the phone actually asked me, "Do you think anybody else is really going to hear that?" I said YES - I WILL. It would drive me nuts before lunch time.

The "de-cocker" - It doesn't completely de-cock the pistol. It takes it from cocked to the half-cocked position. (I should've studied this more - I have a Beretta 92, and a 96 with de-cockers. When you de-cock a Beretta, it fully de-cocks the weapon, and then it is on safety. Same with my Walther PPK).

As you know, I paid a premium for this pistol, but I'm scratching my head now.

I am very pleased with the craftsmanship and accuracy of the pistol itself, just not so happy with the magazine, and a couple of the remarks from CZ-USA.

Anybody else have similar issues with this model??

Thanks! I'm new to THR, and thought I'd throw this out there.

-Z

 

[Walt Sherrill]

The "de-cocker" - It doesn't completely de-cock the pistol. It takes it from cocked to the half-cocked position. (I should've studied this more - I have a Beretta 92, and a 96 with de-cockers. When you de-cock a Beretta, it fully de-cocks the weapon, and then it is on safety. Same with my Walther PPK).

Just because it's NOT FULLY DECOCKED doesn't signify anything of importance. In the case of the CZ, that just indicates a different approach to the same issue -- and both approaches are equally safe.

All CZs (with decockers) decock to the half-cock notch. If you examine the hammer you'll see that it's actually far less than half-cock, maybe even quarter-cock. Starting from that position does shorten the trigger pull and and does lighten it a bit (because the hammer spring is slightly compressed). And, because the gun has a firing pin block, there's no danger of it ever firing when while decocking or when decocked (as the trigger must be pulled fully to the rear before the firing pin block is disengaged. To fire any of these guns, you must pull the trigger and, since it's not a fully-cocked gun, the effort required is more substantial. An accidental/negligent discharge isn't likely.

The mag rattle may bother you; if downloading it a round makes you feel better, then do it. In the gun, in the holster, while it's on your body, while you're moving around, I doubt you'd ever hear the sounds of rounds rattling. The kind of movement you must do to make the mag rattle is NOT the kind of movements that you'd typically make while carrying a weapon, and since it'll likely be (if carried concealed) muffled by clothing, I agree with the gun shop guy. And that rattle happens with a number of guns -- and not consistently with all mags in those guns.

Sometimes just rapping the back of the mag against a flat surface before putting it in the gun helps to stop or reduce the rattle.

 

[Milkmaster]

Just got to say that my CZ pistol is the best shooter I have. Let me know if you don't plan to keep it.

 

[Thompsoncustom]

I to would also prefer that the hammer fully decock instead of the half cock position and that the loaded mags were rattle free but in the gun my guns always run 100% and feel great so its a fine trade off.

 

[Pilot]

Sigh. It is designed to be carried at the half cock position, and is totally safe. It also creates a shorter first shot DA pull which helps accuracy for those that don't train for the initial long DA pull.

Change out your mag springs with Wolff +5% springs, and the rattle should stop.

Anything else?

 

[Walt Sherrill]

...I to would also prefer that the hammer fully decock instead of the half cock position and that the loaded mags were rattle free but in the gun my guns always run 100% and feel great so its a fine trade off.

What does "fully decocked" mean to you? (This and the next question isn't really addressed to you, but to everyone concerned about the same questions.)

For many people "fully decocked" means the gun's hammer has been taken out of a single action mode (where the hammer is fully cocked and ready to fire with a relatively lighter trigger pull), and lowered so that a subsequent trigger pull requires a much longer and heavier double-action start. I would note that the effort required to complete a DA pull after a gun has been decocked varies from design to design, depends on whether a trigger job has been done, or whether the owner has used heavier or lighter hammer (main) springs -- it is NOT a function of the decocker mechanism design, alone.

Are there particular technical/safety issue that makes hammer fully down BETTER than other approaches?

If it weren't for the firing pin safety/block mechanism, a gun fully loaded with hammer fully down (resting on the firing pin) would be a scary thing. Thanks to the FPS/B mechnism, it's not.

With some guns, decocking the weapon means that the hammer will fall against a blocking piece that keeps it from hitting the firing pin. They're not fully hammer down, but might as well be. I think this is true of S&W Third Generation guns, Berettas, and Walthers. But, with nearly all guns the firing pin safety/block mechanism remains in effect throughout the decocking process and the trigger isn't involved. With nearly all (if not all) firing pin safeties, that firing pin safety/block mechanism can only be disengaged by pulling the trigger fully to the rear. If the trigger isn't part of the decocking process, the gun can't be fired, even accidentally.

With some guns, as the decocker lowers the hammer the sear is bypassed, but the firing pin safety remains engaged. That is true with SIGs, for example. This is also true with CZs and the Sphinx SDP. And while the CZ/Sphinx hammer isn't fully down when it's decocked, it's close to fully down, and the firing pin safetyblock mechanism remains FULLY ENGAGED during the decocking process. The gun simply can't be fired unless the trigger is pulled fully to the rear. With both the SIG and the CZ/Sphinx, that trigger pull is noticeably heavier than the SA trigger pull. (And with both of these guns, pulling the trigger while decocking isn't a "natural" action... it would be like patting your head and rubbing your tummy at the same time: easier said than done.

I'd argue that WHERE the hammer rests after the gun has been decocked is of intellectual interest (useful in understanding the mechanism), but of little practical relevance -- as all that really matters is that all such decocker mechanisms make the gun safe, and that a double-action pull of the trigger is required to get started again.

 

[Thompsoncustom]

What does "fully decocked" mean to you?

To me it means the hammer can not go down any more.

If it weren't for the firing pin safety/block mechanism, a gun fully loaded with hammer fully down (resting on the firing pin) would be a scary thing. Thanks to the FPS/B mechnism, it's not

That is a exactly what I do with my carry gun a cz 75 shadow with the hammer fully down.

I'd argue that WHERE the hammer rests after the gun has been decocked is of intellectual interest (useful in understanding the mechanism), but of little practical relevance -- as all that really matters is that all such decocker mechanisms make the gun safe, and that a double-action pull of the trigger is required to get started again

Agreed it's not any safer to be fully down than in the half cocked position just a personal preference.

 

[Deus Machina]

The way the decocker works is, in effect, another safety mechanism. By dropping into the half-cock notch, even a malfunctioning firing pin block won't be any danger, and it prevents it from damaging the parts between points A and B should it be dropped and they slip partially into position.

And, yes, it's not uncommon for mags to rattle. With my PCR, both my 10-rounders do it, as well as one of the 14-rounders, which are both Mec-Gar. The mags from my old S&W 469 would do it, and a large portion of my AK mags did it. Nothing to worry about, and I never even noticed once things are holstered. Sometimes stronger springs fix it, if you're that worried.

 

[StrutStopper]

I prefer my CZ decocker models rest in the half cock position. The double action trigger pull is significantly heavier than in single action and possibility of a ND is minimal, but the trigger pull is shorter (and a bit lighter) than when the hammer is fully down. The only real concern for a ND is when re-holstering, and you just need to be sure the trigger guard is clear to avoid trouble. I sure would like to have a Rami. I'd probably prefer it to be a BD model as well. No confusion as to whether the safety is engaged if you ever need to use it. I know most people train to disengage the safety upon drawing, but this is my personal preference.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

I'd probably prefer it to be a BD model as well. No confusion as to whether the safety is engaged if you ever need to use it.

There's no chance of the safety being engaged UNLESS the hammer is fully cocked. It won't work in any other position. (That's a characteristic of all CZs with safeties.) Some of the other CZ-pattern guns DO allow the safety to function in hammer down and half-cock modes.