Well I finally got to really ring out my p01 Saturday shooting about 250 rounds through it. Most of my shooting was from 21 feet or so. In total I brought 6 guns with me (4 9mm’s/ 2 45’s) and shot all pretty good with poa impact, except my Glock 30S which seems to favor a 6 o’clock hold. The only other da/sa gun I brought was my usp compact 45 and it hasn’t been shot in probably the better part of 2 years, but it was just as accurate as I remembered it. The problem is no matter what I was shooting left about 2 1/2 inches with the p01. Groups were extremely tight, probably 1 1/2 inches or so but off to the left every single time. So then I decided to aim slightly to the right of where I wanted the shot placement to adjust for shooter error or rear sight misalignment. I was still shooting left which really started to mess with my head. None of my other guns were shooting left which made me wonder a couple of things. First, I was shooting 115 gr bullets and maybe the p01 doesn’t like those so next time I will try some 124 and 147 gr, although with the groups I was getting I don’t see that to really be the problem but I’m entertaining it anyways. Second, I thought I’d drift the rear sight over to the right ever so slightly to see if that would help although it looks pretty darn center and me aiming to the right of where I wanted to shoot would basically achieve the same thing in my mind. Third, I have to be honest the trigger on the p01 just plain sucks. Da is long and heavy and single action leave a lot to be desired, so I’m thinking a trigger shoe and/or trigger job is my next option. Lastly, the stock rubber grips are just too dang thick and upon presentation I noticed I was always slightly pointing to the left when going from low ready to ready. So some thin aluminum or g10 grips are pretty much a must on this gun. The part that really gets me though is I couldn’t adjust for the shooting left with that gun. That’s never happened to me before so I was thinking it was either mental or I have a defective barrel or something. Although upon close examination i found absolutely nothing out of the ordinary with the barrel. I really think it’s a combination of the bad stock trigger, mediocre sights, and the thick rubber grips. Has anyone else ever had this problem with a gun? I’d be interested to know how you remedied it and what you learned.
Cz p01 shooting left
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Holy wall of text, Batman.
Shooting left (and often low) is the most common issue for right handed shooters.
It is often due to anticipating the recoil or tensing up the left hand right before the shot (in anticipation of recoil).
Make sure your left hand grip is in proper position, keep it tight. Right hand should have a more neutral grip.
Make sure your trigger finger isn't going from 0-60. You want have full feel of the trigger. For new shooters, I often encourage them to find the stopping point in the trigger, then, when they are ready, pull through the break.
You want to ignore the recoil. Let the gun rise, bring it back on target, and start your processes again.
Always have someone else shoot the gun before you start playing with the sights. 99% of the time, it is the shooter, not the gun.
Shooting left (and often low) is the most common issue for right handed shooters.
It is often due to anticipating the recoil or tensing up the left hand right before the shot (in anticipation of recoil).
Make sure your left hand grip is in proper position, keep it tight. Right hand should have a more neutral grip.
Make sure your trigger finger isn't going from 0-60. You want have full feel of the trigger. For new shooters, I often encourage them to find the stopping point in the trigger, then, when they are ready, pull through the break.
You want to ignore the recoil. Let the gun rise, bring it back on target, and start your processes again.
Always have someone else shoot the gun before you start playing with the sights. 99% of the time, it is the shooter, not the gun.
Great advice but I’m not new to shooting. I’ve been shooting for about 17 years now and never had this problem where I couldn’t adjust for shooting left. It wasn’t shooting low, just left. The other five guns I brought along shot poa. Upon more research I see instances of cz p01’s and sp01’s shooting left have been reported before. I have a 75B as well and it shoots dead center and it has the same exact trigger shoe. I’m going to start with the rear sight and go from there even though it looks about as center as the eye can see and when I aim right I still shoot left. I really thing the grips and trigger are the culprits.
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The inability to correct the POI with a change in POA has to be regarded by rational folks as misinformation of some sort. No matter the cause of POI and POA not matching, it should be possible to hit the desired POI by changing the POA. Whether it is pushing or pulling the gun off target, misadjusted sights, wind, faulty gun or anything else, a POA to the left of the target center must be correctable by moving the POA to the right. I don't know how to explain your observation, but I have to regard it as incorrect. I suggest you take only the one, subject gun with you and work only with it for a full range session. Keep moving your POA left until you see the effect by the POI moving left. To not be able to do that would amount to a paranormal situation.
Before doing the above you may want to obtain some 8 or 12 inch square Birchwood Casey Shoot-n-C targets with the one inch squares printed on them. They are intended for zeroing guns and make the job much easier. And the bright yellow reactive shot indicator function allows you to see the POIs very easily even from a considerable distance. They are definitely worth the price.
Before doing the above you may want to obtain some 8 or 12 inch square Birchwood Casey Shoot-n-C targets with the one inch squares printed on them. They are intended for zeroing guns and make the job much easier. And the bright yellow reactive shot indicator function allows you to see the POIs very easily even from a considerable distance. They are definitely worth the price.
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I got to admit I only skimmed your OP.
I don't mean to imply that you don't know what you are doing.
I have been shooting handguns since I was 10, do a bit of competition, teach people to shoot, etc and I can tell you that when I anticipate (it happens) I usually pull just left.
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My right-handed friend often shoots left with his Glock and my CZ PCR, along with the P-series Sigs....etc.
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We should all keep in mind that OP’s problem is not that POI is left of POA. That would not even be worth a thread to talk about it. His problem is that moving the POA right doesn’t fix the problem. That makes no sense and needs to be investigated before we can make sensible suggestions.
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Thank you for clarifying that.
OP, a paragraph structure some spaces would really help some of us out.
Bingo! This is the part that drives me crazy. I should’ve clarified it better. It does correct it slightly but still shoots left.I’ve wanted a p01 for years and finally got one and it doesn’t shoot poa poi, but the groups are pretty good. Upon research I’ve seen some other p01 and sp01 owners guns shoot left and that’s all there is to it. Bench rest, multiple shooters, it doesn’t matter (although I haven’t done this yet). I’m gonna shoot it again in a few weeks and get back to you guys. I’m just gonna shoot the p01 and no other guns my next range visit so I can really settle into the gun. You don’t see a lot of used p01’s in gun counters so maybe that’s how this one found it’s way there.
That brings his shots to hit poa poi? I’m not gonna change my shooting to fit a gun so if I can’t get this thing to shoot straight it’s gonna go bye bye. I’ve not given up on it yet though, it’s still early.
Yes I agree. But the problem is none of the other 5 guns I brought were doing that. The 2 compact 45’s I brought along both had significantly more recoil than the p01 and I’ve never been recoil sensitive. Basically I’m saying Anticipation is not even a factor.
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Do you have a rear sight adjustment clamp/tool you can take to the range with you? IIWY, I would push that rear sight way over to the right and prove to yourself you can get the POI moved to the right. Then your problem will just be how much is actually needed.
I don’t have a sight pusher but I did think about this as well. Problem is my ocd would kick in and having a rear sight all the way to the right for me to shoot poi would drive me bunkers. My p320c out of the box had the rear sight slightly to the left (and it was noticeable) but I could adjust enough to still shoot poi until I could get home to drift it to the right. The p01 rear sight looks dead center, though my eyes could be playing tricks on me. Other than that I guess I’ve been lucky enough to have the rear sights centered in the dozens of other guns I’ve owned. I plan on pushing the sight to the right and having one of the range officers shoot a mag to see if they shoot left with it as well if I encounter the same problem next time.
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Okay, but my suggestion for a rightward rear sight was not meant to be permanent. Just to convince you that all is right with the world. I think you would get it back near the center bye and bye as you properly zero the gun.
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jjones45:
I said nothing about POA/POI etc regarding my friend.
Only said that "he shoots left".
He shoots left by mistake, as I sometimes do to the right, as a Lefty.
We're not advanced shooters like most of you experienced guys, we're probably not even mediocre.
I said nothing about POA/POI etc regarding my friend.
Only said that "he shoots left".
He shoots left by mistake, as I sometimes do to the right, as a Lefty.
We're not advanced shooters like most of you experienced guys, we're probably not even mediocre.
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Oh okay, some reason in my mind I thought you meant he shoots those guns left handed. I was operating on hardly any sleep when I was reading it. Thanks
Yeah, I just really want to make sure there’s nothing wrong mechanically with this gun. It’s just odd I have this problem with the gun I want to like the most. I love Cz’s and never shot one left before. It’s a possibility this gun just may not be the right fit for me. Time will tell.
Update. Took the p01 out yesterday and ran about 300 rounds through it. I’m now shooting it poa poi. I never got around to changing the sights or grips. I will do that sometime next year I suppose. Each range day is different and yesterday I couldn’t miss with the p01 as each bullet was going exactly where I wanted it to. I was not shooting it to the left like last time. Same gun, same person, same eyes and I’m now shooting it exactly like I expected. I can’t explain it because I did nothing different than last time. It was just one of those days when you and a gun mesh. I’m now thinking I need a p06 to match my p01 somewhere down the road. I absolutely love compact cz’s.
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Good on ya.
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