Do You Keep a Steel Pointed Pen in Your Shirt Pocket?

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I agree with everyone that improvised weapons can be useful in some situations, but a sharpened pen is reaching. If you are in a weapon free area there are lots of more useful things than a pen to get you home safely. A tiny stab wound would take forever to incapacitate someone, unless you get a lucky shot to the eye or something like that.

Great story about the tampon dispensor beating!
 
"Good thought but not realistic. The hard core criminals that are on the street aren't even afraid of a gun."

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I disagree. I faked a would be mugger late one night by just reaching in my back pocket. *faking a gun....it was actually in the glove compartment of my car.

And if you have watched any of reality TV you will see that once the bad guys confront a gun they head south real quick.

I read a story today of an attempted robbery in a store and a man with a CWP pulled a gun on the bad guy and he went to the floor. He dropped his gun.

The bad guys are cowards.

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I guess it's not as ridiculous as it sounds on the surface.

The people in the incidents below all used pencils or pens to stab someone with.

http://www.local10.com/news/9822412/detail.html

http://cbs5.com/local/2.452002.html

Using them as a weapon in an aggressive manner can lead to injuries like this...

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...this,..
http://www.prenhall.com/trauma/impale.html

...this,..
http://www.prenhall.com/trauma/eye.html
(one at the bottom with the pencil).

..this...
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.....and this.
http://www.cprpgh.fanspace.com/images/pencil.jpg


This kid used one to avoid being abducted, pretty good thinking and quick action on his part if you ask me.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=241717
13-Year-Old Attacks Alleged Abductor with Pencil
May 2nd, 2006 @ 11:54am
Gene Kennedy reporting

A man aggressively tries to abduct a 13-year-old boy while on his way to school. The teen was walking to Midvale Middle School when it happened.

John Salazar, Midvale Police Dept.: "I haven't seen something this aggressive in Midvale."

The teenager was walking on Oak Street, roughly 8000 south 480 west, a block from Midvale Middle School. He said around 8:15 this morning, a man in his 50's pulled up, said nothing, but got physical to try and abduct him.

John Salazar, Midvale Police Dept.: "Tried to get him in a headlock, a physical headlock. And the 13-year-old juvenile said he reached up, had a pencil in his right hand, and stabbed the suspect in the face. The suspect released his hold on him and 13-year-old ran away."

The teen made it to school. Police believe the suspect took off in a newer model blue Honda Accord.
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I think that we all agree that it a pen or a pencil isn't an ideal weapon under almost any circumstances, but I guess it's better than nothing if that's all you have though or if it's real handy until you can lay your hands on something else.

If you or someone you know ever has a knife, pen or pencil impaled in your/their face.
http://firstaid.about.com/od/injuriesathome/ht/06_impaled.htm

If that does end up happening (getting impaled/stabbed) you're officially having a bad day.
 
It is only the naive and untrained who think that one actually needs to create punctures in order to effectively wield a pen-sized object.

In addition to being a handy fistload, they can be used for hammer blows to defeat and destroy "hard" points on an opponent and be thrust into "soft" nerve clusters located throughout entire body.
 
We used to carry ceramic knives since they work well, and don't get caught on metal detectors. Much more effective than a pen.

Don't even think ABOUT bringing these on the plane, most of the ones were 12" blades.
 
The pen is a light weight object and stabbing is much more likely to cause injuries.

CWL : It is only the naive and untrained who think that one actually needs to create punctures in order to effectively wield a pen-sized object.

In addition to being a handy fistload, they can be used for hammer blows to defeat and destroy "hard" points on an opponent and be thrust into "soft" nerve clusters located throughout entire body.
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It's possible that "hammer blows" with a pen could cause some damage in a fight, but in my experience of almost a decade on an ambulance (the majority of which was in a pretty busy 911 district) the people who are stabbed are usually much worse off than if they were struck in the head with a light obejct.

If they get hit in the head with a heavy object (bat, pipe, tire iron, mag light, rock, brick, tree branch, car part laying around etc) then that's different as intra-cranial pressure starts to build and it can cause brain damage as a result of ischemia from the decreased flow of oxygen to the brain and it can cause death pretty easily if the blow has enough force behind it.

With a light weight object like a pen that's not very likely to happen though.

Usually the people I see that were hit with a light weight object just have some bumps and bruises and they stopped fighting because the police or someone else got them to stop, they weren't stopped as a result of being hit with something small.
 
I used a #2 pencil to get a guy to turn me loose once. That was all that was needed and he backed off with it sticking out of the back of his hand.

Just a standard pen or pencil can give you a little advantage. A pen built like a kubaton can give you a little more to work with. They're just tools for the prepared individual to use.
 
My "pen plan" is just to use the tool to buy me maybe a 1/2 second to either run away or transition to a firearm.

I think of a pen in the same way the old school oss thumb daggers,wrist daggers,tiny pen guns or other gadget weapons were to be used.

The last ditch odd weapons were never intended or designed to be fight stopping /killing type weapons(they could be of course, but that was very rare) their main use was to buy the user a bit of time to escape or find a better weapon.


I like the lightfoot design,its a bit of overkill..but it is sturdy and has good diameter,has a tight focus point that feels so good on those boney zones,writes well.Good overall pen device.


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Don't underestimate the value of a stab wound delivered with a field expedient weapon. The one and only time I ever stabbed anybody I wielded one of those pointy green plastic vials florists use in making wreaths and such.
I was a school kid at the time and had one in my pocket that I had kept from arts n' crafts class.
After school, I was jumped by a troubled yoot who had had some unpleasant interaction with my dad (a police officer) the night before. He proceeded to start whamming on me with what appeared to be a section of broom handle or dowel rod. He backed me against a wall and was set to really start going to town on me.
I pulled the vial from my jacket pocket and impaled him in the "love handle" with it. Left it stuck in him, in fact. He commenced to screeching and clawing at it. I took the opportunity to break contact and unass the AO.
I'm guessing he probably experienced about as much discomfort getting it out as he did when it went in. If you've ever seen one of those vials, at least as they used to make them, they have a point that looks like an old-fashioned arrow head. They're barbed, basically, so they don't fall out of the styrofoam after the floral arrangement is constructed.
A pen, pencil, or other improvised poignard would have served just as well.
Don't talk smack on stab wounds.
 
Browning,
Perhaps you didn't notice that I stated that I carry a Hinderer pen. I actually travel very often internationally with it in my pocket. Yes, I am trained in martial arts applications of kubatons, dowels, and fighting sticks. And while I agree that a heavy bat is much more effective than a pen-sized object, large bats are almost unavailable to me 24/7.

I broke a person's collarbone once with a downward strike, sure put him out of action.
 
CWL :
Browning,
Perhaps you didn't notice that I stated that I carry a Hinderer pen. I actually travel very often internationally with it in my pocket. Yes, I am trained in martial arts applications of kubatons, dowels, and fighting sticks. And while I agree that a heavy bat is much more effective than a pen-sized object, large bats are almost unavailable to me 24/7.

I broke a person's collarbone once with a downward strike, sure put him out of action.
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The point of my post wasn't that the butt of a pointed/sharp weapon can't be effective in any situation EVER in any way, just that using a pointed/sharp weapon for what it's intended for (to stab and puncture with) is more likely to produce a fight ending injury in your opponent.

In the case you're talking about luckily the guy quit after a broken collarbone, what if the next guy doesn't stop at that and continues fighting?
 
In the case you're talking about luckily the guy quit after a broken collarbone, what if the next guy doesn't stop at that and continues fighting?
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I'd break his other collarbone. You're EMS, how effective is one's arm if he/she no longer is has the structural support of a collarbone?
 
I regularly carry a plain cheapo Parker brushed aluminum pen. Mainly, it's because I like the way they look and write, but partially because it would make an excellent stabber of last resort. Mainly though, it's the writing aspect that draws me to it, because I am going to have to be pretty darn desperate to engage in any sort of combat with my pen...

Interestingly, a Secret Service agent once showed me how to essentially kill someone with a pen. I was both interested and sort of freaked out at the demonstration.
 
I know a person that died from a broken collorbone when a few fragments cut the subclavian artery and he bled out.
 
CWL : I'd break his other collarbone. You're EMS, how effective is one's arm if he/she no longer is has the structural support of a collarbone?
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It really depends on the person and how great their tolerance to pain is and if they have the will to fight no matter what happens to them and/or what kind of injuries they suffer. I've seen people quit after what are basically pin pricks and I've seen some people who sustained great deal of trauma (for instance a guy with a broken femur and who also had both of his arms broke from an MVA after a police chase, a guy who had portions of his intestines bulging out from multiple stab wounds to the abdomen, chest, face and back after a fight outside a country western bar and a guy with two .45 ACP Golden Sabre 185 grain HP's one in his left lung and one which cracked his pelvis into 5 different pieces from a drug deal gone bad) remain combative all the way to the hospital and who were sometimes walking/running around or fighting with the police when we arrived on scene.

Their ability to fight as well with a broken collarbone wouldn't be as great, just how much it would effect them depends on the person.
 
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So what I'm hearing is that each fight is different and each fighter is different. Some fights will be over with a show of force and demonstrated will to fight and others will only be over after amazing amounts of damage have been done.
 
hso : So what I'm hearing is that each fight is different and each fighter is different. Some fights will be over with a show of force and demonstrated will to fight and others will only be over after amazing amounts of damage have been done.
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Yup, that's about the size of it, at least from what I've seen after fights, blunt force trauma with various kinds of clubs, stabbings and shootings anyway. I'm no expert on the subject, but it just seems to vary from person to person from what their previous experience with violent situations has been and how they've programmed themselves to react.

Look at Platt from the Miami Shootout, he was basically shot to pieces and had sustained a mortal wound and his blood was spurting out all over the place, his right arm wasn't really working (he had to fit his right index finger into the trigger guard of his Ruger Mini-14 carbine and instead of squeezing he just pulled his arm back a little at the shoulder rearward in order to fire each time) and he still went on to do the majority of his killing and wounding of FBI agents after he was already hit several times. Most people would have surrendered or quit by that point, but he didn't.

Just kind of goes to show you that it's not over until you decide to quit (surrender) or until you're shot in or if you sustain some sort of injury to the brain (killed or knocked unconcious), to the spine or until you bleed to death. If you are concious and know what's going on and can move one arm you can still fight, the question is if you want to or not.
 
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