Makes it impossible to set up any type of shooting drill that covers some of these aspects, doesn't it. Even set up strictly as a training module, it would be very difficult to do.
I have already linked two drills that do.
Expecting an immediate incapacitation might be a bit optimistic. He may well fall 2 seconds after the first hit, but you kept shooting him until your gun ran dry, never paying any attention to badguys #2 and #3. I think there is a better way.
I don't expect an immediate incapacitation, nor did I say I would shoot guys to the ground. Although I can see how that might be thought to be implied, I apologize for not clarifying. I would also not ignore threat #2 and #3, I would use good movement to mitigate what threat they pose. If in the situation I felt I had gotten some solid hits on #1, then it may be that threat has been reduced and I move on. But I won't go into the fight planning to put a predetermined number of shots on each threat because who is to say I won't miss, or there is some other factor coming into play that I don't know about that is causing my shots (assuming they are hits) to be ineffective? The whole idea is to remain fluid, having a fairly rigid plan going into a fight reduces the amount of fluidity we can introduce to the fight. My method allows for that fluidity. If I hit threat #1 with one shot and he goes down, drops his gun, or something else that makes him less of a threat I am moving on to the next threat. So it may be I shoot each guy once, or it may be I shoot a guy once, next 5 times and the 3rd three times or any other combination. Whatever it is, I am no nailing myself down to any one approach because I don't think that is a tactically wise thing to do. You have said the same in one of your post.
I'd rather have a shooting drill that, while having its shortcomings, addresses some of the more important dynamic shooting skills, such as rapid target acquisition, when the targets are fairly far apart.
Can't disagree with that, see what I already wrote in a previous post quoted below.
If you want drills for a live range just break down to the different components of firearms handling that would be required to address this issue and practice those components.
When was the last time your PD did that?
Mid February, and every three months before that on average with a few extras thrown in there for special occassions. Plus the training I do on my own time, which is about once a month, twice a month every now and then. Not enough, but without access to a personal range about the best I can do.
Taking this scenario a step further, I'd rather fight 3 guys, that each have 2 or more holes in them as they bleed out than 2 guys totally healthy and pissed off because I just killed their friend and now I have an empty gun.
The gun doesn't have to stay empty (that is why we practice reloads right?), and by the time it reaches this point we should have put considerable distance between ourselves and the threat in handgun terms and either bugged out completely or assumed cover. You are also making the assumption that your first shots are hits. I have seen enough video, read enough OIS reports, reports about civilian gunfights, experienced enough RBT and shot in enough competitive formats to know that what we can do on the range is very different than what we can do on the street under stress. I am confident in my shooting ability, but not so confident to think I am beyond missing, and I personally don't think anyone should be that confident in their shooting ability.
Looks like we'll never agree on this one.
Personally I think we agree on more than we realize, this is just a difficult discussion to have on an internet forum because we are limited to our words and it is sometimes difficult to communicate a point with just words. I think you just take a more structured approach to the problem, where as I prefer to be more fluid. I don't totally discount your method either, I think it has validity, it just isn't something I would use.
This is what 167 and I have been discussing for too many pages !
That is the truth, want to call it quits (this is really starting to take up too much time
)? I think we have laid out the aspects of both methods in pretty good detail. People should be able to read what we have posted and come to their own conclusions about which method they think they would prefer to use.
