twoblink
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Don't smoke while pumping gas, don't drink while packing..
DARWIN's Rules, not mine..
DARWIN's Rules, not mine..
Drinking while carrying?
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Dorrin79
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Not certain - my instructor said that the statute prohibits 'carrying while intoxicated' but didn't set a limit for what 'intoxication while carrying' was.
SO better to be safe than sorry...
ExtremeDooty
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I seem to remember reading someplace that 0.02 is the legal limit while carrying in Michigan. Can anyone verify that. If true, then even the state allows a "couple of beers" while carrying. I wonder if other states have laws or guidelines on this subject.
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I think all states do - In MN as I stated earlier the level is .04 , and I can carry in a drinking establishment as long as I don't exceed that limit.
Each state decides the rules, In AZ for example you are not allowed to carry in a business that serves alcohol - period .
I generaly never drink myself - I'm not concerned however if a person who does drink responsibly happens to be carrying . The key word is "responsibly". That to me means one or two drinks .
And as far as locking up your means of protection at home when you are only going to have a drink or two --- I realy see that as un-necessary . Even if your going to drink more than you should, as long as you are home and stay there - You can take the gun off and put it in drawer where access to it would still be there in an emergency.
I think all states do - In MN as I stated earlier the level is .04 , and I can carry in a drinking establishment as long as I don't exceed that limit.
Each state decides the rules, In AZ for example you are not allowed to carry in a business that serves alcohol - period .
I generaly never drink myself - I'm not concerned however if a person who does drink responsibly happens to be carrying . The key word is "responsibly". That to me means one or two drinks .
And as far as locking up your means of protection at home when you are only going to have a drink or two --- I realy see that as un-necessary . Even if your going to drink more than you should, as long as you are home and stay there - You can take the gun off and put it in drawer where access to it would still be there in an emergency.
fivepaknh
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I really don’t think the two situations equate at all. Smoking and pumping gas is closer to actually shooting while drunk.
After a six-pack I usually have a buzz, but I’m far from being drunk. The impression I get from some of you is that after two or three beers you’re 3 sheets to the wind and ready to fire rounds into the air. I understand that after one beer everyone’s faculties get a little dull, even if not noticeable Though, if that’s the case, then no more cough or allergy medicine, coffee, soft drinks with caffeine, and a number of other substances while carrying.
GigaBuist
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ExtremeDooty: 0.02 is the limit for CCW in MI as of 2001 and it became the limit for open carry (or posession of a pistol) in July 2003.
Pretty sure it's no longer legal to shoot your gun on your own land after a single beer if it's a pistol. Feel free to load up that 30.06 though and let'er rip since only handguns kill people. Hunters would blow a freaking gasket in this state if you told 'em that can't take their '06 out after 2 beers but nobody noticed when posession of a handgun after a single beer became illegal. Heck I didn't notice either.
Pretty sure it's no longer legal to shoot your gun on your own land after a single beer if it's a pistol. Feel free to load up that 30.06 though and let'er rip since only handguns kill people. Hunters would blow a freaking gasket in this state if you told 'em that can't take their '06 out after 2 beers but nobody noticed when posession of a handgun after a single beer became illegal. Heck I didn't notice either.
ExtremeDooty
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I can remember camping out while deer hunting in Kentucky. Under today's rules all of us could have been put in jail on any given night. On one of those nights, we heard a pack of coyotes running through the woods and suddenly they were coming right at us. Everyone sobered up quickly, grabbed our rifles and aimed into the darkness like in one of the scenes from "Predator." The pack must have detected us and veered off probably 50' from our camp.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that fear and adrenaline sobered us up in a real hurry. And even though we all had beer and other refreshments and high powered rifles, none of acted irresponsibly and we were ready to defend ourselves at a moment's notice.
But I guess it is different when carrying a handgun daily amongst the "normal people."
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that fear and adrenaline sobered us up in a real hurry. And even though we all had beer and other refreshments and high powered rifles, none of acted irresponsibly and we were ready to defend ourselves at a moment's notice.
But I guess it is different when carrying a handgun daily amongst the "normal people."
Texas Drinking and Carrying w/ CHL - - - -
As far as i remember in my CHL class - i don't remember it being defined - as in so vauge that it WILL get you in trouble because it will be used against your actions by the defense of the criminal, and the prosecution against you if the police decide it wasn't a good shot....
AKA - not worth it, not even a numbers game to play - just a "he/she was drinking" .... period.... heh.
Just like DWI laws in texas follow two rules - the Looks like he/she is drunk rule and the actual numbers rule - you can get nailed for either - specially w/ the vid cams in the cars. So if yer one of those lucky cheap drunks - don't drive thinkin yer ok cause there is no way yer over the limit - they can choose to get cha if they want cha. (altho it is really hard if the video tape shows ya to be an upstanding no sluring citizen who's had a few beers... they guy/gal who has that allergic reaction to the stuff that can get drunk on 1/2 a beer.... they could be put away even tho they can't have anywhere near the legal limit....)
The things you learn in the 5 or 6 classes they made me go to. =)
J/Tharg!
As far as i remember in my CHL class - i don't remember it being defined - as in so vauge that it WILL get you in trouble because it will be used against your actions by the defense of the criminal, and the prosecution against you if the police decide it wasn't a good shot....
AKA - not worth it, not even a numbers game to play - just a "he/she was drinking" .... period.... heh.
Just like DWI laws in texas follow two rules - the Looks like he/she is drunk rule and the actual numbers rule - you can get nailed for either - specially w/ the vid cams in the cars. So if yer one of those lucky cheap drunks - don't drive thinkin yer ok cause there is no way yer over the limit - they can choose to get cha if they want cha. (altho it is really hard if the video tape shows ya to be an upstanding no sluring citizen who's had a few beers... they guy/gal who has that allergic reaction to the stuff that can get drunk on 1/2 a beer.... they could be put away even tho they can't have anywhere near the legal limit....)
The things you learn in the 5 or 6 classes they made me go to. =)
J/Tharg!
Kurt S.
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Well, being of Italian descent I like to have a glass or 2 of wine when I go out to a nice restaurant, and being a naturalized Texan and adopted son of the South I enjoy a beer on hot day. Been known to take a sip of sour mash every now and then, too.
I do not believe that having a few alcoholic beverages with a meal removes my right to defend myself or my family. What I do believe is that if God forbid I should have to use my CCW in defense I am going to be in a world of trouble from the gitgo. Having a barely measurable blood alcohol level is going to be the least of my worries.
I will modify my behavior and to a certain extent my lifestyle as part of the responsibility of CCW, but I refuse to deprive myself of perfectly lawful enjoyment of life.
Here's kind of a neat link:
http://www.intox.com/wheel/drinkwheel.asp
This calculates theoretical blood alcohol levels for a given body weight, number of drinks, and type of beverage consumed.
I do not believe that having a few alcoholic beverages with a meal removes my right to defend myself or my family. What I do believe is that if God forbid I should have to use my CCW in defense I am going to be in a world of trouble from the gitgo. Having a barely measurable blood alcohol level is going to be the least of my worries.
I will modify my behavior and to a certain extent my lifestyle as part of the responsibility of CCW, but I refuse to deprive myself of perfectly lawful enjoyment of life.
Here's kind of a neat link:
http://www.intox.com/wheel/drinkwheel.asp
This calculates theoretical blood alcohol levels for a given body weight, number of drinks, and type of beverage consumed.
Drinking and carrying seems like a bad idea to me. I think if in any case where you had to shoot someone and it got to court, the prosecution will have a field day with you.
But what if you're drinking and you're faced with a threat that you can't defend youself?
Worst case, you're dead.
Since both cases are a lose-lose situation. It would be better not to drink at all or take your chances.
But what if you're drinking and you're faced with a threat that you can't defend youself?
Worst case, you're dead.
Since both cases are a lose-lose situation. It would be better not to drink at all or take your chances.
Ala Dan
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In Alabama drinking while carrying renders your CCW license
null and void. Something to think about before you have a
sip of your favorite alcoholic beverage, with your firearm in
tow.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
null and void. Something to think about before you have a
sip of your favorite alcoholic beverage, with your firearm in
tow.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Notch
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Typicaly, if I'm out - I'm drivin, so that takes care of that. But if I am with friends and we are out for a bite, I will have a beer..with food... Like mnrivrat said, here in Mn the legal limit is .04 if'n your travl'n heavy...I think that thats around a beer an hour ...which got me to wonderin about the carrying a firearm while intoxicated charges that could occur if someone sat outside some of the bars downtown and dropped breathalizers on the "off duty's" that came sauntering out......
Vern Humphrey
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I do not believe that having a few alcoholic beverages with a meal removes my right to defend myself or my family.
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No, what it does is REDUCE your ability to defend yourself or your family.
When you carry, you are saying, "I might have to use this gun." Why would you do anything to reduce your ability to use it effectively?
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I do not believe that having a few alcoholic beverages with a meal removes my right to defend myself or my family.
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No, what it does is REDUCE your ability to defend yourself or your family.
When you carry, you are saying, "I might have to use this gun." Why would you do anything to reduce your ability to use it effectively?
"Solo mi dos centavos"
I carry for one reason, because I honor the threat. That threat, in whatever guise, is real and constant. Why would anyone voluntarily create a problem with situational awareness, reduced reaction time, and good judgement by altering their perception of reality in any way?
If you carry a weapon you must be "in it" and "of it". Your commitment must be total. If anyone is going around "packing" under the delusion of any other truth, that individual is a liabilty and has some growing-up to do before they might ever be considered competent and proficient.
SatCong
I carry for one reason, because I honor the threat. That threat, in whatever guise, is real and constant. Why would anyone voluntarily create a problem with situational awareness, reduced reaction time, and good judgement by altering their perception of reality in any way?
If you carry a weapon you must be "in it" and "of it". Your commitment must be total. If anyone is going around "packing" under the delusion of any other truth, that individual is a liabilty and has some growing-up to do before they might ever be considered competent and proficient.
SatCong
Vern Humphrey
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I carry for one reason, because I honor the threat. That threat, in whatever guise, is real and constant. Why would anyone voluntarily create a problem with situational awareness, reduced reaction time, and good judgement by altering their perception of reality in any way?
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Absolutely!
If one disdains the threat so much that one is willing to impair their ability to deal with the threat, why carry at all?
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I carry for one reason, because I honor the threat. That threat, in whatever guise, is real and constant. Why would anyone voluntarily create a problem with situational awareness, reduced reaction time, and good judgement by altering their perception of reality in any way?
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Absolutely!
If one disdains the threat so much that one is willing to impair their ability to deal with the threat, why carry at all?
Would you carry while exhausted?
Fatigue can impair your judgement just like alcohol.
If you're willing to carry after a long day, carrying after a drink or two shouldn't faze you too much (unless it's illegal, of course).
Personally, I don't carry yet, but one beer (or even two, depending) doesn't affect me noticeably. I wouldn't get hammered while carrying, but I wouldn't be worried about a drink with dinner.
18 hours sustained wakefulness produces performance impairment = .05% BAC
24 hours = .10% BAC (Dawson & Reid, 1997; Williamson & Feyer, 2000).
People with mild to moderate untreated sleep apnea performed worse than those with a 0.06% BAC (Powell, 1999)
On 4 hours sleep, 1 beer can have the impact of a six-pack (Roehrs et al., 1994)
© National Sleep Foundation
Fatigue can impair your judgement just like alcohol.
If you're willing to carry after a long day, carrying after a drink or two shouldn't faze you too much (unless it's illegal, of course).
Personally, I don't carry yet, but one beer (or even two, depending) doesn't affect me noticeably. I wouldn't get hammered while carrying, but I wouldn't be worried about a drink with dinner.
18 hours sustained wakefulness produces performance impairment = .05% BAC
24 hours = .10% BAC (Dawson & Reid, 1997; Williamson & Feyer, 2000).
People with mild to moderate untreated sleep apnea performed worse than those with a 0.06% BAC (Powell, 1999)
On 4 hours sleep, 1 beer can have the impact of a six-pack (Roehrs et al., 1994)
© National Sleep Foundation
A glass of wine at dinner in a fine restaurant is not a problem.
Minnesota's new CCW law allows up to .04 (the interstate truck driver limit and 1/2 the usual .08 limit). No problems have been reported with persons under that amount.
Minnesota's new CCW law allows up to .04 (the interstate truck driver limit and 1/2 the usual .08 limit). No problems have been reported with persons under that amount.
Notch posted:
The only folks who have ever "shot up" the Mall of America (two instances) were off-duty Minneapolis police officers. And let's not forget drunken, off-duty MPD Officer Matthew Olsen who "beat the crap" out of a passer-by in the Warehouse District last year.
The only folks who have ever "shot up" the Mall of America (two instances) were off-duty Minneapolis police officers. And let's not forget drunken, off-duty MPD Officer Matthew Olsen who "beat the crap" out of a passer-by in the Warehouse District last year.
Vern Humphrey
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Minnesota's new CCW law allows up to .04 (the interstate truck driver limit and 1/2 the usual .08 limit). No problems have been reported with persons under that amount.
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The problem is not one of the law, or of drunken behavior. The problem is one of reflexes and fine motor movement under stress.
Try shooting fast and accurately after a couple of beers.
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Minnesota's new CCW law allows up to .04 (the interstate truck driver limit and 1/2 the usual .08 limit). No problems have been reported with persons under that amount.
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The problem is not one of the law, or of drunken behavior. The problem is one of reflexes and fine motor movement under stress.
Try shooting fast and accurately after a couple of beers.
JerryM
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I would wonder why your guns are ever out of the safe? Do you think that you would ever need a gun inside your home?
Is it to be prepared to protect the family?
If so then don't do anything to compromise that need to protect the family, that you believe you have.
Conclusion: don't drink, as it does compromise your ability to defend your family. If you drink and have the guns available, then you compromise their safety because you are drinking.
Stop the beer drinking if you are serious about family protection.
Jerry
Is it to be prepared to protect the family?
If so then don't do anything to compromise that need to protect the family, that you believe you have.
Conclusion: don't drink, as it does compromise your ability to defend your family. If you drink and have the guns available, then you compromise their safety because you are drinking.
Stop the beer drinking if you are serious about family protection.
Jerry
Valkman
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I quit drinking 9/10/91 and cannot even imagine carrying if I'd of had a CCW back then. What a mess that would've been!
I think the laws prohibiting carry in bars are stupid - what CCW holders need to know is not only how they will be physically affected by alcohol but what will happen to them in court if they've been drinking. It doesn't matter if you're under the legal limit - you will get absolutely hammered simply because you were drinking.
Thankfully here in NV there are no such restrictions or I wouldn't be able to carry in casinos. I've never heard of a legally carrying person shooting someone in a bar so it must not be a big problem. Probably what the police worry about more is drunk drivers with weapons in the car, since any type of loaded weapon is legal here.
I think the laws prohibiting carry in bars are stupid - what CCW holders need to know is not only how they will be physically affected by alcohol but what will happen to them in court if they've been drinking. It doesn't matter if you're under the legal limit - you will get absolutely hammered simply because you were drinking.
Thankfully here in NV there are no such restrictions or I wouldn't be able to carry in casinos. I've never heard of a legally carrying person shooting someone in a bar so it must not be a big problem.
Probably what the police worry about more is drunk drivers with weapons in the car, since any type of loaded weapon is legal here.- Status
