colonelhogan44
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I've used Kick and Goex. Both are good. Use what you like and gives good results in your rifle. I've found the kik to be a tad bit cleaner.
For what its worth, Swiss is about 15% hotter than Schuetzen/Goex. Goex (latest batches) seem to be about 2-5% hotter than Schetzen. Seems to depend on the weapon and the bullet.
Compression: Generally speaking, Swiss and Schuetzen doesn\'t like compression where Goex seems to need it.
Fouling: From my tests and from the words of others, Schuetzen seems to foul the less of all three followed by Swiss.
source: https://www.schuetzenpowder.com/forum/index.php?topic=89.5;wap2I have looked at this issue for many years trying to figure out why Swiss (and to some degree Schuetzen) doesn\'t like compression where Goex and KIK seem to like some degree of compression. The one characteristic that stood out the most is that Schuetzen and Swiss both are very dense powders where Goex is less dense and KIK is almost soft. It seems that the denser the powder (Swiss being the most dense and KIK being the lest dense) the less compression is needed. I then looked at how the granules fractured when compressed. The Swiss was more resistant to breaking apart and gave inconsistent fracturing. Once compression became extreme and the compression force was able to over power the structural integrity of the grains, then the Swiss fractured uniformly. I found that once this compression point was reached, the Swiss shot very nice groups.
So, if I\'m making any sense, as the Swiss powder is compressed, the powder fights back and granular fracturing is not uniform resulting in your group opening up down range and standard deviations enlarging. But once the compression overpowers the granular structural integrity, the groups and standard deviations tighten back up.
Sigh.BlackNet said:Swiss and Schuetzen is very DENSE while Kik and Goex are less dense. This is apparent from the photo's,
Thank you. That would be very much appreciated.Pete D. said:If I can find that old volume of the DGJ, I will post the relevant info.
Sigh.
No, it's not.
Density is a physical property, mass per unit volume, which is only PARTIALLY a function of the size and shape of the individual particles; the density of the particles themselves and settling of the particles into their optimum packing ratio both matter as well.
Please. Measure some charges, weigh them and calculate the density. I'd do it myself but I don't have the powder samples - you do. You may well be right about the relative densities of the various brands, but credibility comes from hard data, not opinions about photographs.
Yes Jim Kirkland is the owner/importer of Swiss and Schuetzen. It's speaks quite highly of the sort of person he is that he allows the discussion of other powders on his site.I have been somewhat mystified why in 5 years that site hasn't really taken off, as when Goex had their forum it was a busy place...also Schuetzen has a forum and that is the quote I posted above, from the administrator himself.