FFL mail-order purchase process for dummies :)

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HI there!

I just put in an offer on what looks to me like a great deal from the For Sale forums here on THR, and one tantalizingly close to what I'd think of as utterly perfect, certainly close enough to complete the circuit of how to use some of my "gun money" raised as a witness in mock trials at law school ;)

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=334224

I hope that this works out -- seems like an excellent price, and I've been interested in a long time in owning something from Kel-Tec (both the P11 and PF-9 are tempting), and I was just wondering in a post last week about where to rent a Sub-2000. (The only thing which would for me make this perfect is if it had the Glock magwell rather than S&W.)

However, I've never bought a gun other than in person and from a shop before. That I've done enough times to know that, at least as of a few weeks ago, the government considers me a low risk and lets me exercise the natural right which is described in the 2d Amendment ;)

So: I've skimmed several threads about this, but will tempt fate by asking for a dummy-level, blow-by-blow description of just what it is I need to do to arrange for the purchase.

I'm in PA; I officially live in Harrisburg (that's where my good futon is), but go to school in Philadelphia.

The seller is in Georgia.

I understand that many private citizens hold FFLs, though they do not own or run gun stores, and that serving as legal go-betweens in this type of transaction is one reason why. I suspect that many THR readers are such "private" FFLs, and that I'm likely to find my best price on the transfer through such a person.

As the seller describes it, consistent with my earlier understanding of the process, I simply need to have the FFL holder (or me) send a signed copy (signed in ink significant?) to the seller; he ships to the FFL holder, and the FFL holders tells me it's arrived. Then I fill out the same forms I would fill out, were I buying a gun from the counter at Gander Mountain or other retail store, and it's mine.

Is that a fair description, and am I missing any steps?

Also, are there any good (trustworthy, inexpensive both desired qualities) FFL holders you can point me to in either the Philadelphia area (thanks to my schedule this semester, probably that would be best -- especially any in Bucks County) or near Harrisburg? (For a school clinical with Bucks County's D.A.'s office, I'm up there at least once a week, and have already noticed some gun stores ;))

I know that most gun shops will do this, but a) some of them seem pretty extravagant in their pricing, like $50 for a single out-of-state transfer and b) I'd be happy to throw some business to a THR reader, if easily practical.

All responses appreciated --

Cheers!

timothy
 
...I simply need to have the FFL holder (or me) send a signed copy (signed in ink significant?) to the seller; he ships to the FFL holder, and the FFL holders tells me it's arrived. Then I fill out the same forms I would fill out, were I buying a gun from the counter at Gander Mountain or other retail store, and it's mine.

Yep, that's it. The signed in ink part is a must. Now go and find an FFL! You can check on GunBroker for FFLs near you.

P.S. That does look like a great price!
 
Gator:

Thanks for the feedback -- and the link to FFL holders is exactly what I was looking for, but didn't previously know about.

For that price, I'm willing to risk buying without fondling. I don't think either of us is getting ripped off (which I'd be suspicious of if someone offered me the same gun and accessories for something substantially *less* ;)), and I like that it comes with the bag -- I *like* the bag (in fact, it's one of the accessories for the Sub-2000 which has made me smile, and want one in the first place), but I might be too scrimpy to buy one if I were to pay new-retail on the thing itself.

Cheers,

timothy
 
Gator said:
Yep, that's it. The signed in ink part is a must.
No, it's not.

You can send the seller the FFLs information, and they can verify via the A T F EzCheck website: https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck

A private citizen is only legally required to ship to an FFL. They are not required to have a copy of the license, signed in ink or otherwise. A lot of old-timers do it this way because that's the way it's always been done. If you are selling, and you can verify the FFL holders info on the ATF site, that's all you need.
 
nalioth:

The OP asked the significance of signing in ink. That is one way of verifying an FFL. Using eZcheck is another way to do it, so are faxed and e-mailed FFLs. A lot depends on what the seller wants.
 
faxed and emailed FFLs are done a lot when buying from some of the bigger sites...
 
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