walking arsenal
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I tried that. They just ran away! Can you believe it? The cowards!
First deer with my AK-47
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USAF_Vet
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For the Predator mode, you really need a 3 dot laser sight and shoulder mounted energy pulse cannon mounted on your shoulder.
In any case, congrats on your kill. I can't hunt with a centerfire rifle in my area, slug guns and front stuffers only. Looking forward to getting into the blind next week.
In any case, congrats on your kill. I can't hunt with a centerfire rifle in my area, slug guns and front stuffers only. Looking forward to getting into the blind next week.
okiewita40
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To the OP congrats on getting a deer with your AK. I will be using my SKS for deer hunting this weekend. I think the 7.62x39 round is just fine for deer. A lot of people compare the x39 round to the 30-30. So my thinking is if the 30-30 is fine for deer so is the 7.62x39.
helitack32f1
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I think 7.62x39 is perfect for dear, you just have to find a suitable, legal hunting round, at least I think that was how it was here in WA.
It is common and more correct to use the term "AK" or "AK pattern" (Avtomat Kalishnikova) to refer to the family of weapons. Even most military full-auto AK are NOT AK-47s, which have a heavier milled receiver. The AKM variants are most commonly seen.
How can we as lawful gun owners expect news media who may have never even shot a firearm to not think every SKS, SAR-1, and MAK-90 is "an AK-47" if we can't use accurate terms ourselves?
John
How can we as lawful gun owners expect news media who may have never even shot a firearm to not think every SKS, SAR-1, and MAK-90 is "an AK-47" if we can't use accurate terms ourselves?
John
walking arsenal
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That's a bit of a reach and I still feel like its nitpicking. The news media isn't going to distinguish between a milled and non milled receiver AK.
As a thought, I've never heard a soldier refer to their M-16 or M-4 as an A-1, A-2, A-3, or A-4. They only call it an M-16 or M-4.
Nor have I ever heard anyone refer to their glock by the generation number. They might call it a Glock 23.
You don't refer to your dog as Canis Familiaris and then describe the breed even though that's more correct do you? No. You say "Dog", people know what you are talking about and the conversation rolls on.
See. I feel like there is a point where common use language and technical jargon collide and that we are at that intersection. I don't disagree that we should use as correct terminology as possible when speaking of things. But there is a point where using that technical terminology is unnecessary and wouldn't add anything more to the conversation. In fact it can clutter it and cause the listener to have to either break off the conversation or ask more questions so that they have a clear idea of what exactly you are talking about before the conversation can proceed. Most people don't have a tolerance for that.
Being technical can be fine if you are talking to a person with extensive firearms knowledge like you and I have. But not everyone has that, not even on THR. If I had titled my post "I got my first deer with my AK pattern Romanian SAR-1" it would have been glossed over by the less educated.
I didn't want that. Those people are my intended audience.
My intent on posting my experience was to provide an example to folks that are less educated or that are biased against military arms for hunting that you can collect game with a military style rifle, like the AK, just as well as you can with a high end bolt action if you adhere to a set of criteria and understand its limitations.
As a thought, I've never heard a soldier refer to their M-16 or M-4 as an A-1, A-2, A-3, or A-4. They only call it an M-16 or M-4.
Nor have I ever heard anyone refer to their glock by the generation number. They might call it a Glock 23.
You don't refer to your dog as Canis Familiaris and then describe the breed even though that's more correct do you? No. You say "Dog", people know what you are talking about and the conversation rolls on.
See. I feel like there is a point where common use language and technical jargon collide and that we are at that intersection. I don't disagree that we should use as correct terminology as possible when speaking of things. But there is a point where using that technical terminology is unnecessary and wouldn't add anything more to the conversation. In fact it can clutter it and cause the listener to have to either break off the conversation or ask more questions so that they have a clear idea of what exactly you are talking about before the conversation can proceed. Most people don't have a tolerance for that.
Being technical can be fine if you are talking to a person with extensive firearms knowledge like you and I have. But not everyone has that, not even on THR. If I had titled my post "I got my first deer with my AK pattern Romanian SAR-1" it would have been glossed over by the less educated.
I didn't want that. Those people are my intended audience.
My intent on posting my experience was to provide an example to folks that are less educated or that are biased against military arms for hunting that you can collect game with a military style rifle, like the AK, just as well as you can with a high end bolt action if you adhere to a set of criteria and understand its limitations.
walking arsenal
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I haven't tried the Tula soft points yet. I have some heavy rounds made by herters though.
I try to keep my hunting ammo in the same grain size as my my home defense and target ammo so I don't have to adjust the sights much.
I try to keep my hunting ammo in the same grain size as my my home defense and target ammo so I don't have to adjust the sights much.
Yes understand and to be honest the 154gr is so heavy the accuracy really falls off like a rock after about 150 yards....but I do like it for popping pigs at 50 to 100 yards..The Yugo ammo I have is the longest and most accurate I have shot and it works very well too but it will not turn a piggy inside out like the 154gr will.....well it seems like it does; very hard hitting with a huge thump and knock down??
Zombiphobia
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I think I posted already, but anyway congratulations on killing a deer with your AK-47... regardless of rather or not we're using the exact 'proper' term... an AK is an AK in my book, as far as this conversation is concerned. I don't care which variant you killed the deer with and I'm sure the deer doesn't either; the deer is dead, you have meat in the freezer and the basic Kalshnikov design succeeds *again*.
walking arsenal
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Thanks Zom!
That's the way I look at it too. It was a great experience and I enjoyed hunting with the AK.
That's the way I look at it too. It was a great experience and I enjoyed hunting with the AK.
Thefabulousfink
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... well we could call it a white house special, but that might be in poor taste
(sorry, couldn't help it. I am anti nit-picky)It is truely a shame that there are no pitures. I would love a shot of you, the buck, and the rifle. We could make t-shirts that say "You call it Assault Weapon, I call it Deer Rifle"
Either way, great thread and great hunt. I love the threads the guys over at FALfiles post about using their FALs for hog hunting and a few more "non-standard rifle" hunting threads would be fun over here as well.
lizziedog1
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Wouldn't using a big, heavy, cumbersome rifle make it more of a challenge? It would make the going slower and cause you to burn more calories.
Imagine the challenge of hiking through the woods with a twenty or thirty pound rifle in 50BMG.
Imagine the challenge of hiking through the woods with a twenty or thirty pound rifle in 50BMG.
walking arsenal
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Gad. I suppose. But I don't think my heart would hack it!
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I still think you're a horrible shot, you need to add a laser and infared bullets, maybe that will make up for your suckish handling skills when dealing with full auto M16s.
plateshooter
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I got a 260 lb hog last year with my SAR-1 AK "look a like" rifle using a Wolf 154 grain soft point. It took 1/2 a step and was down. I plan to use it again for this years pork chop run. I wouldn't use it for shots over 100 yards due to accuracy with my shooting skills. I would have no problem using it for deer where I live.
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Agreed, I think the 7.62X39mm is a great deer hunting round-- on top of people using an AK type rifle for hunting. How is hunting a deer or hog with an SKS / or bolt-action more ethical than hunting with an AK? (The evil rifle!!!)--- It can be used for non evil uses.
walking arsenal
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Plateshooter
I'm sure it isn't your shooting skills. I shot mine at a bench and it wouldn't group better than 3 inches.
Maybe it would with some better ammo.
I'm sure it isn't your shooting skills. I shot mine at a bench and it wouldn't group better than 3 inches.
Maybe it would with some better ammo.
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Frozen North
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I have been pondering how well a Siaga would work for a brush rifle. It would be quick and short for sure. I think a red dot would up my chances too. A bolt action with a 24'' barrel and a 3x9 scope feels awfully out of place when you are snap shooting at deer in heavy brush on a drive. In situations like this, the longest shot would be less than 50 yards, and more often than not, less than 20 yards. I whole heatedly believe that the 7.62x39 has plenty of snort for that.
I could leave it unconverted so I can't spray fire from the hip, and leave the banana assault clip in the truck in favor of a sub 10 round model....
I could leave it unconverted so I can't spray fire from the hip, and leave the banana assault clip in the truck in favor of a sub 10 round model....
plateshooter
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Frozen North, from my personal experience, Your Saiga could be a perfect brush gun for the ranges you noted. I set my SAR rifle up with a Red Star Trigger, an Ultimack rail, and a red dot. The open sites can be used looking through the red dot in the event the red dot would fail for some reason. It will put rounds into a fist size off hand group at 50 yards for me. I like the adjustable stock for use with different weather conditions and garments being worn. The Hogue grip really improves the handling of the rifle for me. The Tapco 10 round polymer mag is lighter than the steel version, and super reliable with a snug no rattle fit in the mag well. The Wolf 762X39 154gr soft point put a baseball size exit hole in the hog I shot at about 50 yards earlier this year. I would have no problem with the killing power of that round on any deer within range. If you do convert your Saiga, the accessories may work out for you, if you use it as is, it should work just as well.
230therapy
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Some friends of mine really like the Federal Fusion ammunition in 7.62x39mm. They said it performed very well.
My underfolder with Aimpoint Micro (4 MOA dot) gets 2-2.5" groups at 50 yards with cruddy Wolf ammo. I'm sure I could tighten that up with more consistent ammo and a bit of practice. I do sight in with the point of impact being the top of the red dot. This helps quite a bit.
My underfolder with Aimpoint Micro (4 MOA dot) gets 2-2.5" groups at 50 yards with cruddy Wolf ammo. I'm sure I could tighten that up with more consistent ammo and a bit of practice. I do sight in with the point of impact being the top of the red dot. This helps quite a bit.
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Totally just stumbled onto this tread. Hunting+AK=deer meat awesomeness. I have always been a fan of using mil-surp guns and other non "traditional" firearms for hunting. My dad thought I was insane when I bought a mixed parts mauser and "hot rodded" it out. I will admit that there is merit to having a nice new 700 and awesome glass for a dedicated hunting rifle. To me its about maximum fun and bringing back a all but dead rifle to life. All it took was some glass bedding, a leupold scope mount, and a leupold vx-I. After i seen how well it shot being scoped well why not go one step further? I started handloading for the rifle and to this day I can still put 5 shots in a quarter at 100 yards if i do my part. Now you got me thinking about getting my AKs out next year and harvesting some freezer meat! Way to go buddy. Keep it up.
Anthony
Totally just stumbled onto this tread. Hunting+AK=deer meat awesomeness. I have always been a fan of using mil-surp guns and other non "traditional" firearms for hunting. My dad thought I was insane when I bought a mixed parts mauser and "hot rodded" it out. I will admit that there is merit to having a nice new 700 and awesome glass for a dedicated hunting rifle. To me its about maximum fun and bringing back a all but dead rifle to life. All it took was some glass bedding, a leupold scope mount, and a leupold vx-I. After i seen how well it shot being scoped well why not go one step further? I started handloading for the rifle and to this day I can still put 5 shots in a quarter at 100 yards if i do my part. Now you got me thinking about getting my AKs out next year and harvesting some freezer meat! Way to go buddy. Keep it up.
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