Glock .45 opinions wanted

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"You might want to try PMing Littlemac and asking about his experiences with them. Basically, he has had 4 blow up (kaboom) due to unsupported chambered."

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We're talking hand loads, aren't we? Glock kabooms always boil down to hand loads... :rolleyes:

Ammo-wise I've fired nearly everything available in .45 ACP, including +p stuff, through my G21, and at better than 8000-rounds, it's still going strong!

FWIW, I've got about 1200 10 mm rounds through it as well, my favorite being the DT 1600 fps, 767 ft/lbs, 135 gr Noslers. This is done with a KKM Conversion Barrel, 10 mm magazines, and 22 lb. recoil spring on a SS guide rod.

This is real-word, been there, did that, results. There is no interpretation.

I'm sorry. Something smells with your .45 ACP Littlemac referral...
Probably involves hand loads...

--Ray
 
I only had the chance to shoot a Glock 21 once but I liked it. Even though it's big, it fit my hands well and I shot it as good as my 17. The recoil is quite manageable and accuracy is outstanding. If it fits your hands (which is probably the most important criteria for the 21) you'll like it.



I find it funny how some people say the HK45 is better, despite the fact that they most likely haven't shot one yet :D (same goes for G36s in rifle threads, I guess H&Ks marketing works great ;))
 
IMHO, i don't like glocks in any other caliber than 9mm, i don't like mini glocks the only sc glock that i would own would be a 9mm. they do a great job and there best work is with the 9mm series, i care nothing for the others out there.
 
As mentioned, I wouldn't give up on the 1911 just yet. Most require a good bit of a break-in period. The Glock's would serve you well right out of the box though.

Good luck :)
Zack
 
DNS said, in part, "What part of PMing Littlemac wasn't clear?"

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. Nothing personal, but there's no way Littlemac had four healthy .45 ACP Glocks kaboom on him, where ammo anomalies or hand loads weren't involved. Every one of these things I've chased down points to ammo or hand loads--one guy insisted on shooting lead through the OEM barrel. Can't fix stupid. :banghead:

Plus over 8000-rounds through my own G21, not to mention the hundreds of rounds on rental-trials (I've fired/rented every caliber but GAP), tells me that these claims are absurd and misleading, when they're trotted out there as general warnings to new Glock buyers. :scrutiny:

I got some funky Blazer Brass ammo from Natchez once. Out of 500 .45 ACP rounds, about thirty had the bullets set back as much as a 1/8" too much. In addition to possibly causing an over pressure situation, if fired, these rounds would not feed, causing the FTFs I'd mentioned. The inner and outer shipping boxes were perfect. These are not weapon, but ammo problems.

--Ray
 
I had a kaboom 20+ years ago (Gen1 G17). We were young, cheap, and ... well ... not real wise, if you get my drift. Unjacket handloads.

Enough said unless someone wants the mercifully un-gory details.
 
"I had a kaboom 20+ years ago (Gen1 G17). We were young, cheap, and ... well ... not real wise, if you get my drift. Unjacket handloads."

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:D !!!

Nice to hear from an honest man!

I've got friends that shoot hand loads with Glocks, but always with an aftermarket barrel, approved for "lead" bullets. And even so, this is not an arena where "guessing" is good enough!

--Ray
 
I have the G21SF, and I like it. No malfs, yet, though only ~200 rounds fired. The grip was a little uncomfortable at first, not so much due to the overall size, but from the width at the top of the backstrap. Interestingly, for such a large grip, there is no scalloping there, at all. My hand actually got sore the first few times I handled it, because it creates a little bit of a pressure point in the web of my hand. With a firm hold, the soft pad in the web of my hand gets stretched back and up, so that it hugs the "beavertail." Fear not, though; at least for me, I got used to it very quickly and now find it all day-comfortable and wouldn't have it any other way, because I feel that it aids in control. Actually, it reminds me of the feeling I had the first time I tried the high thumb hold (which I quickly adopted) on a 1911.

I absolutely love the trigger. Out of the box, it had some variation, where sometimes there would be a little creep, almost like a false break, followed by a crisp but slightly stacked break. I found it a little disappointing. But after some breaking in, this has all but completely disappeared. Now, it is near uniform, with pretty much zero takeup or creep and a clean, consistent break. Actually, it seems like you can "step" the trigger if you use both hands and work it back slowly, so what feels like the "working break" is actually the first part of the trigger travel. So when this "breaks," the rest of the very short travel that unlocks the sear becomes almost like part of the overtravel. It's like a smooth double-action revolver trigger which has a "point of no return" after which you get a smooth accelerated pull ending in an invisible break - but it's compacted into something like 1/8" of travel, and the point of no return is at the very start. I love it.
 
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the g-21 is a fine weapon, if your hand is big enough to wrap around it. if not, i've heard it described as trying to grab a 2"x4". I have large hands, and love the g-21.
 
I own a real nice kimber classic custom 1911. I have the rosewood grips with the hex screws, and the wilson combat mags. I love to shoot this pistol, and can't get enough 45acp ammo for it. That being said, I would not want to carry it as a police weapon, or a military weapon where mud, water, sweat, etc... are a fact of life. for serious self defense scenarios, I want a simple, accurate, high cap pistol that goes bang every time you pull the trigger. I want a pistol that if gets caked with mud, I can piss on the action, shake it out, and commence to firing.
 
if you shoot non-jacketed bullets through a glock, it will explode, or a bullet will stop in the barrel. where can you buy non jacketed 9mm rounds anymore? I haven't seen them in at least 15 years.
 
I have put 200 or so rounds through my Glock 21 SF with standard rail. I am amazed at how contollable the gun is. I can't comment on durability, though. It is a large gun but I have no problem handling it.
 
I had a Glock 21 for years, but traded it for a Glock M30 which I think is the best of all worlds. It's compact but still hand-filling and it still takes the full size 13 rd mags of the 21. None of my Glocks (I currently only have a M27) have ever let me down in any way. Never a FTF or FTE or being simply too dirty to carry on as has been the case many times with a 1911. But I have a smallish hand and I found both the M30 and the M21 feel too "blocky" for a perfect ergonomic grip in my case. I don't have that problem with my M27.
 
Really like my Glock 21SF. Grip fits waaaay better than the regular 21, for my small-to-medium hands. For a carry gun, while I carry the 21SF, the 30 would probably be more comfortable due to the shorter barrel. Shooting-wise, I shot a 30 and liked it fine, so try 'em all out if possible and go with your gut. I may have to get a 30 just for a hot-weather gun :D

As for KBs, you'll find all sorts of rules of thumb from people with strong opinions, but they are all over the map so take 'em with a grain of salt. There's a link to a Glock 21 torture test on here somewhere where the guy has 100k+ rounds through one and throws it in dirt, sand, blasting media, etc. etc. and it keeps shooting once the crud is shaken off or hosed out of the magazine. My biggest issue with Glock is gun fit. If it feels really blocky in your hand you'll shoot it like crap, but rent a couple and make sure.

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