Got my 1907 Turner sling, need help in set up/use

[natedog]

My Turner 1907 sling came today. Using instructions from Fulton Armory, I attached it to my M1, but I'm not sure if I've got it right. Here's a picture:



Could someone explain how I'm supposed to use it while shooting? My first attempt rendered me comletely immobile, tangled hopelessly in the sling. It took a second set of hands to unlatch the sling and detach the rifle from me.

Thanks!

Nate

 

[ocabj]

Did you also read this page on Fulton Armory's site?

http://www.fulton-armory.com/slinguse.htm

 

[cracked butt]

Your sling is on correctly.

Pictures are worth a 1000 words or more. Try this thread, it explains alot.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=13711&page=1&pp=25&highlight=sling

 

[Vern Humphrey]

First of all, detatch or remove the lower loop.

Next, assume the sitting position (easiest to deal with at this stage). push the keepers (the little leather bands) well forward. With the rifle in firing position, give the sling a half twist to the left. Insert your LEFT arm in the sling loop from the right side of the loop (remember, you twisted it).

Now push the sling up your arm until the loop is tight against the armpit. Pull the keepers down to hold it there. Now put your forearm over the sling, and grasp the forestock of the rifle. The sling, because of the half twist will lie flat along your forearm.

Adjust the loop until you can barely achieve a grasp of the forearm. This will put a lot of tension into your hold and you'll find your sitting position has suddenly become rock steady.

 

[Steve Smith]

Personally I believe that your keepers should be placed together, just above the D ring (where the single rearward one is now). They will hold better, and besides, the keeper does nothing way up there against the sling swivel. That is the standard method used with HP competitors who use a 1907 style sling.

 

[30Cal]

I rig mine as Steve describes--with the keepers together just above the D-Ring. I also put it on so that the frogs point inward. Prior to putting it onto my bicep, I flip up the running end of the upper portion. This keeps the loop around my bicep from slipping because the keepers are wedged up against the frog.

It will probably be difficult to get in and out of with a minty new sling. To tighten the loop, you pull forward on the outside part of the sling. To loosen, grab the keepers/frog and rotate them to the outside of the arm.

After you make the loop to put your arm through, you'll need to give it a half twist so that the flat, not the edge, of the sling lies across the back of your wrist.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sling issues

Thanks for the thread guys.

I recently bought an M1A and didn't know how to use the sling and was a little embarassed to ask such a question.

 

[wanderinwalker]

I concur with putting the keepers together where you have the lower one right now. I use my 1907 on my AR this way. Much more secure and comfortable than a canvas M-1 IMO. Less feeling like a tourniquet and less slippage-per-pressure level.

When I get home to my rifle I will post up some pics of how to employ the sling.

 

[Steve in PA]

FYI, if you read the nation match or long range shooting forums, alot of people still use the canvas slings. I've even read where some recent past winners use the canvas instead of the leather slings.

 

[natedog]

When switching from using it as a carrying strap to a shooting age you're supposed to rehook the lower strap near the buttstock, right?

 

[cracked butt]

When switching from using it as a carrying strap to a shooting age you're supposed to rehook the lower strap near the buttstock, right?

Yes, the sling will be too short if you don't rehook the lower sling, or you can just unhook it , pull it out of the swivel and allow it to hang slack- though there's a chance it will get caught on your jacket, pants, etc.

 

[natedog]

Here's some pictures in use. Is this correct?

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Here's some pictures in use. Is this correct?

Incorrect. The left forearm should go over the sling, not under it. The loop should also be much shorter -- When you first start using a sling, you should be convinced it's almost impossible to get into.

 

[Steve Smith]

Loop smaller, tight above the bicep, but not cutting off circulation (a kneepad under the sling will help), shorter sling altogether, lower position, keepers together.

 

[cracked butt]

You also should move your top keeper below the hook. You then pull down on the sling with your right hand and push up with your left hand to slide the sling through the swivel to move the hook close to your arm to tighten tin down on the keepers. The sling should be tight on your upper bicep to the point where it it almost feels like your circulation is being cut off.

I'm not even close to being int he same league of skill as some of the shooters on this board, but I've always been told to keep the wrist on my supporting arm straight aslo.

 

[wanderinwalker]

Not quite there. I still suggest moving the keepers so they are together at the lower end. Also, I mount my sling so the frogs are on the rifle side instead of opposite, like so:



Here is one in use, sitting. It's not perfect (the sling isn't across the back of my hand, I'm not in my best position) but this was just an attempt at a quick illustration. Oh yeah, and I'm canting it! If it doesn't work for you, don't tell me to stop doing it!



The sling goes across the back of your hand. The loop on your arm needs to be smaller. The tension should be firm, almost too tight. This is the reason I switched from the M-1 sling. I just didn't like the way it cut the circulation to my left arm. If I lessened the tension it always wanted to slip off onto my bicep. It really should feel like you can barely get into the thing. At first it always seemed tricky to me as well.

 

[Steve in PA]

This is the way your sling should look.

 

[Steve in PA]

Best sitting pic I could find on my computer right now. Notice how the left hand is placed forward as far as it can go.

 

[RGO]

Here's a pic of me with my M1 and M1907. Important notes: Sling looped around arm above bicep, tight against hand, and that gap between the sling and my elbow.



Some more is available on my website. Steve Smith's thread, linked to by cracked butt, looks very good too.

 

[30Cal]

NateDog (or anyone else interested),

An AR shooter might do fine with that position, but you're going to find out in short order that your elbows are going to move on the first shot. Take a look at the picture below--see how I've got the back of my left elbow on the front of my knee? When the rifle recoils, my elbow will be supported by my knee. It will be pushed into the knee instead of being driven off of the knee.



Same goes with my right elbow. I've seated it in a place where it will be supported by my knee when the gun recoils. You will need to build a recoil-resistant position.



I am a somewhat tall guy, 6'1", and when I shoot with crossed legs, I have to choke way up on the stock to get the muzzle out of the dirt. I also end up with about the same amount of cant that wanderinwalker has in his picture above. I'm not opposed to canting the rifle, but the amount I had was inconsistant from one day to the next. To correct, I had to put on between 3 and 6 clicks left windage (depending on how much cant I ended up with on that day). When the gun recoiled, I'd totter back and forth like a Weeble Wobble.

I now use a modified crossed ankle position--my right ankle under my left calf. This does a bunch of things for me. I get a lower position which makes it a lot quicker to recover from the recoil (important item with a .30 caliber rifle). My body is more aligned with the target and the tendancy for my elbows to slip is a lot less. Finally, I now have just a little cant (maybe 5 degrees), and I use the same 2 clicks left every day. It's consistant.

Ty

 

[fredcwdoc]

The Turner website shows how they should be installed. I just received two, couldn't figure them out, went to the website and found instructions.