Got my PKM!
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You buildin' a militia or something? 
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You mean, "I thought I ARE one already"
. Nice MG (the '42 is nice, too)Yeah, them, too
. I don't worry about NFA guns ever being outright banned/confiscated; at this point they're pretty much in the hands of wealthy (read: influential) owners anyway due to their cost, too many for a state govt to ignore here in Texas (or most other currently non-ban places). There'd be some 'splainin' to do at the donors' banquets if they nuked 10's-100's of G's of their supporters' investments.TCB
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Could go either way.
Think they have stripped the Militia out of the citizens over the years and replaced it with the state / federal reserves. My vision of it is every individual being responsible enough about their citizenship, to recognize that our citizenship comes at a price, and that price is keeping at least one functional small arm, and being proficient in it. That's a debate for another day and place though. I will say I'm a fan of the Swiss model.
So, are we, or were we, either is equally valid if you argue from a given context.
NFA may be OK for awhile and I wouldn't worry about two things; number of guns in trusts, and inheritance.
The problem with corporate trusts, which so many people seem to use for NFA ownership these days, is simple - corporations do not have the same rights and protections, under law, that peoplehave. Thus, it's entirely possible for corporate trusts ownership of NFA items to get wiped out with one stroke of the pen.
The other is inheritance. YOU have a right to keep what you own or to be justly compensated if ownership is lost due to government action or law. Nothing truly protects your ability to inherit this property to heirs. There is a lot of case law that protects most inheritance and estates, but I'm not even remotely close to being up to current on probate law. If they ever want to truly ban them, they *could* conceivably limit ownership to people already ON the NFA register.
It's like that in Canada, from my understanding, and eventually - if I recall the situation correctly - one guy will eventually "own" all of the full auto weapons in the country, and when he dies, they will all be forfeit to the state.
I could be remembering wrong, don't have the best recollection - think the gray hairs suck brain cells out of your head...
Could go either way.
Think they have stripped the Militia out of the citizens over the years and replaced it with the state / federal reserves. My vision of it is every individual being responsible enough about their citizenship, to recognize that our citizenship comes at a price, and that price is keeping at least one functional small arm, and being proficient in it. That's a debate for another day and place though. I will say I'm a fan of the Swiss model.
So, are we, or were we, either is equally valid if you argue from a given context.
NFA may be OK for awhile and I wouldn't worry about two things; number of guns in trusts, and inheritance.
The problem with corporate trusts, which so many people seem to use for NFA ownership these days, is simple - corporations do not have the same rights and protections, under law, that peoplehave. Thus, it's entirely possible for corporate trusts ownership of NFA items to get wiped out with one stroke of the pen.
The other is inheritance. YOU have a right to keep what you own or to be justly compensated if ownership is lost due to government action or law. Nothing truly protects your ability to inherit this property to heirs. There is a lot of case law that protects most inheritance and estates, but I'm not even remotely close to being up to current on probate law. If they ever want to truly ban them, they *could* conceivably limit ownership to people already ON the NFA register.
It's like that in Canada, from my understanding, and eventually - if I recall the situation correctly - one guy will eventually "own" all of the full auto weapons in the country, and when he dies, they will all be forfeit to the state.
I could be remembering wrong, don't have the best recollection - think the gray hairs suck brain cells out of your head...
Ian, I've shot a full auto 1919 and, to be completely honest, I didn't really care for it. It's a personal preference, but I prefer something I can put up against my shoulder. I realize there's modern versions that are dressed up with stocks/ etc, but I'm trying to collect things that A) I'll enjoy shooting, and B) which are rare enough that I won't risk losing a great deal of money (value) on over time, and C) which are as close to historically accurate as I can get, living in the "Peoples Republic of Illinois."
1919 fills B, but not A and C. I wouldn't really enjoy it as much as other types of firearms of similar role. And if I got the version I would enjoy, it wouldn't fit with the pattern of historically accurate designs.
Now, give me a line on a semi M60, M249, or M240, and we'll talk some money. I can shoulder those babies.
On a related note - firing a PKM, RPD, or MG42 offhand is a real struggle, even at 6'2 185 lbs. I need to work out more.
1919 fills B, but not A and C. I wouldn't really enjoy it as much as other types of firearms of similar role. And if I got the version I would enjoy, it wouldn't fit with the pattern of historically accurate designs.
Now, give me a line on a semi M60, M249, or M240, and we'll talk some money. I can shoulder those babies.
On a related note - firing a PKM, RPD, or MG42 offhand is a real struggle, even at 6'2 185 lbs. I need to work out more.
Ohio Ordnance Works makes a semi 240, but you'll really have to save your pennies:
http://ohioordnanceworks.com/Firearms/OOWExclusiveFirearms/M240_SLR.rif
A friend of mine has one, but I have yet to get the chance to shoot it.
I do agree on the 1919's lack of a stock, which is why I have an Israeli A6 kit (buttstock and bipod) for mine. The nice thing about the 1919 is that it can be easily adapted for a variety of different catridges...although you've pretty much got them all covered already. I have setups for mine in 8mm, .308, and .30-06 - and you can also get 7.62x54R and 7.62x39.
http://ohioordnanceworks.com/Firearms/OOWExclusiveFirearms/M240_SLR.rif
A friend of mine has one, but I have yet to get the chance to shoot it.
I do agree on the 1919's lack of a stock, which is why I have an Israeli A6 kit (buttstock and bipod) for mine. The nice thing about the 1919 is that it can be easily adapted for a variety of different catridges...although you've pretty much got them all covered already. I have setups for mine in 8mm, .308, and .30-06 - and you can also get 7.62x54R and 7.62x39.
I've got a budget of 58K for belt guns (total). If I end up getting that DsHK that'll set me back some. A lot of some actually. ;-)
So far it's gone down like this;
8600 - PKM
4600 - MG42
2200 - RPD
3400 - MG34 (yet to be received... shipping gorillas..)
So I'm sitting at $18,800 right now.
That leaves 39.2K in reserve.
I'm being picky as I can possibly be, trying to maximize A+B+C as I listed earlier in the thread.
M2HB semi auto is on sale at TNW through middle of this month, 10% of, $7200 .. been considering it, but haven't bit on it yet. Might kick myself in the ass if I don't get one.
M240 Bravo sure as hell ain't out of the question, but that's a big chunk of the reserves, and I'm not sure if I want to drop that much on a single piece .. of course, there's also the "going to kick myself in the ass if I don't do it" factor.
This is turning out to be a HELL of a lot more fun than investing in stocks and bonds, by the way.
So far it's gone down like this;
8600 - PKM
4600 - MG42
2200 - RPD
3400 - MG34 (yet to be received... shipping gorillas..)
So I'm sitting at $18,800 right now.
That leaves 39.2K in reserve.
I'm being picky as I can possibly be, trying to maximize A+B+C as I listed earlier in the thread.
M2HB semi auto is on sale at TNW through middle of this month, 10% of, $7200 .. been considering it, but haven't bit on it yet. Might kick myself in the ass if I don't get one.
M240 Bravo sure as hell ain't out of the question, but that's a big chunk of the reserves, and I'm not sure if I want to drop that much on a single piece .. of course, there's also the "going to kick myself in the ass if I don't do it" factor.
This is turning out to be a HELL of a lot more fun than investing in stocks and bonds, by the way.
Seawolf;
There are others with far more impressive collections than mine. By no means am I trying to be 'the guy with the most toys'. I know of at least three local collectors who put what I have to shame. I'm sure there are guys out there (particularly ones I've seen on the firing line at Knob Creek) that have collections I'd stroke out over seeing.
I just enjoy the hell out of guns.
With Illinois' gun rights future very uncertain, due to Chicago politicians, and no intention of leaving for greener pastures until my kids are grown and launched in to the world, I'm making due with what I can.
"Get it while the getting is good", I guess you'd say.
Yes, I'm fortunate where I'm at in life, after a lot of hard work to get here, and believe me, I don't take any of this for granted.
Just wish I had some of these back in '04. Local Marine reserve unit wanted hands on time with Klashnikovs before going on their third trip to the sandbox, I knew a guy in the unit; I happily obliged with a truck load of semi AK clones and 3K rounds of ammo, enough to last the company a couple hours on the range. Gave me a t-shirt and a challenge coin for my "troubles", and some time with the machinegun crews in the bay, cleaning M240B's.
Good folks, those Marines. Maybe I'll give them a call again one day, see if they want to do it again. They don't get enough range time with what they're issued, being a reserve unit...
There are others with far more impressive collections than mine. By no means am I trying to be 'the guy with the most toys'. I know of at least three local collectors who put what I have to shame. I'm sure there are guys out there (particularly ones I've seen on the firing line at Knob Creek) that have collections I'd stroke out over seeing.
I just enjoy the hell out of guns.
With Illinois' gun rights future very uncertain, due to Chicago politicians, and no intention of leaving for greener pastures until my kids are grown and launched in to the world, I'm making due with what I can.
"Get it while the getting is good", I guess you'd say.
Yes, I'm fortunate where I'm at in life, after a lot of hard work to get here, and believe me, I don't take any of this for granted.
Just wish I had some of these back in '04. Local Marine reserve unit wanted hands on time with Klashnikovs before going on their third trip to the sandbox, I knew a guy in the unit; I happily obliged with a truck load of semi AK clones and 3K rounds of ammo, enough to last the company a couple hours on the range. Gave me a t-shirt and a challenge coin for my "troubles", and some time with the machinegun crews in the bay, cleaning M240B's.
Good folks, those Marines. Maybe I'll give them a call again one day, see if they want to do it again. They don't get enough range time with what they're issued, being a reserve unit...
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