Gun to Carbine kit

[CZ-75BD]

I'm wondering if somebody know anything about gun-to-carbine conversion kit for EAA Witness 45 full frame, or CZ-75 9mm. I know it is couple for Glock and 1911, but all my internet search gave nothing on my guns...

 

[smalls]

It may exist, but I haven't seen one. Maybe try an EAA or CZ specific forum, you'l probably have better luck there.

 

[rcmodel]

Nope.

An ingenious solution to a non-existent problem anyway.

If you want a carbine, buy a carbine.

rc

 

[4v50 Gary]

Its all about fun. He wants fun and should have some.

 

[smalls]

Plus, if you have say a Glock, and wanted a carbine, buying one of these http://www.mechtechsys.com/glock.php would be a little less expensive than buying an AR, and it might fit your hand better than a KT Sub2000.

 

[JustSomeDude]

Isn't adding a stock to a pistol a no-no with the BATF?

 

[dogtown tom]

Completely legal...........as long as you have a tax stamp.

JustSomeDude Isn't adding a stock to a pistol a no-no with the BATF?

Adding a buttstock to a pistol= SBR requiring $200 ATF tax stamp
Adding buttstock and 16" barrel to pistol (and at least 26" OAL)= Rifle requiring no stamp.

Until last August, ATF held that removing the buttstock and 16" barrel from that converted pistol/carbine constituted a "firearm made from a rifle" and requiring a $200 SBR tax stamp. In August 2011, ATF reversed their long standing policy and now consider it just a "handgun".

 

[smalls]

Pistol - rifle: OK (as long as it meets the length requirements for a rifle)
Rifle - Pistol: $200 tax stamp.

 

[MrDig]

So these are illegal?

http://www.mechtechsys.com/

These must be too

http://www.topnotchtactical.com/content-product_info/product_id-2788/hera_arms_1911_carbine_kit.html

 

[JustSomeDude]

Adding a buttstock to a pistol= SBR requiring $200 ATF tax stamp
Adding buttstock and 16" barrel to pistol (and at least 26" OAL)= Rifle requiring no stamp.

Until last August, ATF held that removing the buttstock and 16" barrel from that converted pistol/carbine constituted a "firearm made from a rifle" and requiring a $200 SBR tax stamp. In August 2011, ATF reversed their long standing policy and now consider it just a "handgun".

I wasn't aware of this change. Thanks for the info.

 

[CZ-75BD]

Thank you all for an input. It was just a general question of interest, I'm not planning to do so.

 

[smalls]

MrDig, you read my post wrong.

You MAY turn a pistol into a rifle, provided that it meets the federal length requirements.

You MAY NOT turn a rifle into a pistol without registering it as a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR)

(And the Top Notch Tactical conversion actually tells you that in order to use their product, it must be registered as an SBR, read the fine print)

 

[Sam1911]

And the Top Notch Tactical conversion actually tells you that in order to use their product, it must be registered as an SBR, read the fine print

It isn't even the "fine print." It's the very first line of the description!

***Using this product in conjunction with your pistol without registering, it as a short barrel rifle is unlawful and in violation with the NFA Act, however you may purchase the permanatly attached barrel shoud option to make it a 16" overall barrel length requirment***

...Though their terminology is funny..the NFA (National Firearms Act) Act?

'Course, they also say the kit features "outside shaft body" which sounds great...if I could figure out what in the world that means!

 

[smalls]

Yeah, that threw me off, too.

 

[Jim K]

It should be legal if two conditions are met. 1) The barrel must be at least 16" (counting any permanent attachments) and 2) the stock and barrel must be permanently assembled together so that the stock cannot be attached without the barrel.

The trouble is that with a recoil operated pistol, such a long barrel probably won't work, and installing the lower of such a pistol gets tricky - not impossible, but tricky.

Jim

 

[Sam1911]

2) the stock and barrel must be permanently assembled together so that the stock cannot be attached without the barrel.

Why do you feel that would be required?

It isn't in the case of guns like AR15s that can be assembled into either.

 

[smalls]

he trouble is that with a recoil operated pistol, such a long barrel probably won't work, and installing the lower of such a pistol gets tricky - not impossible, but tricky

The companies linked above seemed to have figured it out.

 

[Sam1911]

The MechTech kit seems to switch the function to a straight blowback design, right? So barrel length isn't any problem.

 

[smalls]

I'd assume it'd have to. I don't see the whole upper on that thing moving back and forth.

 

[Sam1911]

Or the barrel tilting to unlock within it.

 

[25cschaefer]

2) the stock and barrel must be permanently assembled together so that the stock cannot be attached without the barrel.

The ATF ruled last August that if was not originally designed to be only a rifle, you can have what ever components you want so long as you don't assemble a SBR without a stamp.

One example they give is the Contender rifles and pistols, it is possible to put a pistol barrel on the receiver and then a rifle stock but, as long as you don't, it is okay.

 

[smalls]

You're right. I don't know, it doesn't say anything on their site about it.