H&R Single Shots

[kBob]

Ok kBob is admitting ignorance on the topic of H&R Swingle Shots. 12 gauge of corse.

played with an old workhorse on the floor racks of a local pawn shop ( not saying which so you other three local THR guys don’t head me off at the pass) and dispute my distaste for the screw that holds the fore stock on, ALMOST bought it.

then I recalled you H&R guys talking about the SB2 reciever being preferred if say I wanted to use say a .30-30 or 7.62x39 barrel insert or even a magnum pistol insert.

so what do I look for? Do they say SB2 on it some place?

could a plane Jane old Topper handle .30-30? Or even .327 Magnum? I assume .38 Special, 44 Speecial. .45 ACP in say six inch converters would all be OK or they would not sell out so Quick.

Help me THR Kenobe, you are my only hope!

-kBob

 

[TTv2]

I have seen 30-30 shot in one online, but do not know if it was an SB1 or 2 frame. I'll ask and get you the answer, but bottom line was with the adapters it worked fine.

Biggest problem I've had with .32 Mag adapters has been a handload using Hodgdon Lil' Gun almost pierces the primer. 327 may do the same.

 

[garandsrus]

There main site for Handi Rifles is greybeardoutdoors.com. A search there will show the differences between SB1 and SB2 frames and how to identify a frame. There is also a serial number to manufacture year spreadsheet that is very helpful. Before a certain date, there were no SB2 frames.

 

[earlthegoat2]

30-30 has been chambered in non-SB2 frames before. With an insert, I could not say whether that is safe or not as I do not have any knowledge about the product or application.

Non-SB1 receivers have been used for many lower pressure/rearward thrust cartridges. The most popular being 30-30, 22 Hornet, 44 Mag, and 45-70 among a few others.

 

[TTv2]

Got an answer back from the guy who shot the .30-30 in the H&R shotgun and it was a shotgun receiver frame SB1.

 

[mac66]

I know a thing or two about H&R singles. The shotgun frames known as SB1 are typically case hardened cast iron. They will accommodate shotgun rounds, most pistol rounds and low pressure rifle rounds, typically those evolved from black powder (30-30, 45-70 etc). I forget what the max pressure is but it's somewhere around 45,000 CUP which is what a 30-30 is. The SB2 frames, i.e, Handi Rifle, are steel and can handle anything. If it doesn't say SB2 or says SB1 or has case hardened receiver it's a SB1

 

[kBob]

Thanks Mac66.

Passed on a nice one this week for $140, mainly because the inserts I want are just not available.

Too many irons in the fire as it is.

-kBob

 

[Barbaroja]

I’d recommend picking up any good condition h&r or NEF that can be had for a good price. Nice guns that are going up in price.

After the Remington bankruptcy, H&R is now rowned by Palmetto State Armory ( or whoever owns them)and I recently saw some shot show coverage of one of the PSA guys (ceo maybe) saying that the handy rifles/ break action shotgun tooling has all been long gone and that they will never be like the were , the $110 gun at Walmart, which was kinda their corner in the market. That said I’d still love to see them come back, even at a higher cost.

 

[PapaG]

I know a thing or two about H&R singles. The shotgun frames known as SB1 are typically case hardened cast iron. They will accommodate shotgun rounds, most pistol rounds and low pressure rifle rounds, typically those evolved from black powder (30-30, 45-70 etc). I forget what the max pressure is but it's somewhere around 45,000 CUP which is what a 30-30 is. The SB2 frames, i.e, Handi Rifle, are steel and can handle anything. If it doesn't say SB2 or says SB1 or has case hardened receiver it's a SB1

Minor point but 30-30 was never a black powder round. 30 cal, 30 grains smokeless, same idea as 30-40 Krag.