Having some fun with that compact carry gun.

[M2 Carbine]

I thought I'd see just what my 3 inch barrel Kimber Tactical Ultra II carry gun will do, past the normal up close shooting distance.

So yesterday morning I tacked up a 15 yard Texas concealed carry qualification silhouette target at 100 yards.

Sat down and shot 4 spotting rounds to see the drop and drift (little right wind).

Counted out 50 rounds and backed up to 100 yards. (where the picture is taken from)

The ammo is 200gr lead SWC reloads. Loaded slower than standard. My normal plinking load.

Standing, using two hands, slow fire.



The results.
About magazine three I tried to raise the bullet hits a little and overcompensated causing the string of hits across the top of the target.

That made 6 misses of the silhouette, including the 2 edge hits that I call misses.

Due to the target not having a backing, my backstop is pretty shot up, the bullet tears a big hole in the paper. There are several multiple close bullet hits but I can't positively account for 3 or 4 bullets, so I call them complete misses.

That makes 9 or 10 misses out of 50 shots. Not especially good.
But it gives me some room for improvement.

Fun, interesting shooting. Give it a try.

 

[P95Carry]

For standing Buck that is very good I consider - as my attempts at long range that way only go to show how hard it is to stay on the target - which looks a tad small!!

Even rested that would be pretty fair tho I expect things would tighten up somewhat. All that and a 3" barrel. Reminds me of what can be done with snubs at 100 yds.

I sure would not volunteer for target holding duty

 

[M2 Carbine]

What got me cranked up on the 100 yard shooting again was a thread on Glock Talk in which a poster said he was scaring a bowling pin at a hundred yards with a Beretta 25 Jetfire. He was getting some doubt that he had done it so I thought I'd try.
I don't have the 25 but I have the Beretta 22 Short Minx.
My pistol shoots left and down so I put a aiming target right and high.
Even though I was sitting at 98 yards I was surprised that only three of 14 shots aren't accounted for.
Not bad for a 22 Short.



So I thought I'd try my old S&W Model 60.
My hand wasn't steady enough that day to shoot 100 yard standing so I shot the 38 sitting at 98 yards also. After a few spotting shots I pasted up the holes and shot a bunch of lead SWC reloads. I believe all the shots stayed in the silhouette.
Fun shooting.

 

[P95Carry]

Darned satisfying - way too long since i played at long range. I used to shoot competition at 300 and 100 with my Redhawk 20 or more years ago - and found that less than hot loads did best - trajectory may have been very parabolic but the rounds grouped.

Back then the method tho employed a sorta portable seat deal we were allowed to use so - all shots were sandbag rested - still a challenge tho to get all shots in a bull - targets always looked postage stamp!!

This pic is rampant nostalgia Buck - me back in IIRC 1984 doing exactly what I described - oh boy it takes me back. No grey hairs on head or beard then

 

[EdLaver]

I just have to complement you on some great shooting. I didnt think it was possible to do so well with a pistol (let alone 3") at 100 yards. I never tried because I just figured the drop n' drift would be too much.

 

[Moonclip]

I've hit 20 lb co2 scrap cylinders easily at 50-75yards with a 950bs 22short Beretta, no BS there larger and closer than a bowling pin though.

 

[M2 Carbine]

EdLaver
I just have to complement you on some great shooting. I didnt think it was possible to do so well with a pistol (let alone 3") at 100 yards. I never tried because I just figured the drop n' drift would be too much.

Thanks.
But it's no harder than trying to shoot a decent group at 25 yards, once you shoot a few spotting rounds to check for drop and drift.

The drop isn't too bad with the 45.
I was trying to hold on the right shoulder (looking at it) since I was getting a little left drift.

I print these targets on 8.5x11 inch paper using the worse draft quality, so an ink cartridge prints a lot of targets
They are the TX CHL target at 1/4 scale meaning, of course, that at 25 yards they look like the original target at 100 yards.


I heard that light load. I was on the way to a decent group to.

 

[M2 Carbine]

P95Carry
Darned satisfying - way too long since i played at long range. I used to shoot competition at 300 and 100 with my Redhawk 20 or more years ago - and found that less than hot loads did best - trajectory may have been very parabolic but the rounds grouped.

Back then the method tho employed a sorta portable seat deal we were allowed to use so - all shots were sandbag rested - still a challenge tho to get all shots in a bull - targets always looked postage stamp!!

This pic is rampant nostalgia Buck - me back in IIRC 1984 doing exactly what I described - oh boy it takes me back. No grey hairs on head or beard then

I like that shooting bench.

 

[gezzer]

I used to shoot at bleach jugs tied down at the 100 yard rifle range with my .45 auto. It was a stock 1930's commercial model. By holding the front sight bottom on the edge of the top of the rear sight I could bounce it around on its tether 5 out of 7 shots. Very much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sm]

M2 Carbine

Nice shooting! Thanks for the pics too.

Back in the day, Police would shoot at 50 yds for quals. I'd watch and learn, and these guys and gals would shoot their snub nosed guns too. J frames and Detective Specials.

They would back out to 100 yds, and as you shared, a snubby will do its part, if the shooter will do theirs.

Bulls-Eye shooters, another bunch would take bone stock guns, snubbies, Beretta Minx, Jetfire or Bobcat (fuss about triggers of course) and do some remarkable shooting.

Me? Oh yeah, it is fun, still a very useful skill to do know and practice.

Keltec P-11. Yeah I know, still I was wringing this gun out for some T&E, shooting a lot. Just a plastic double action only revolver is all it is. So I am wringing steels out to 60 yards, as far as I could do at this range.

I got to feeling cocky and smug, all this trigger time, used to this gun and all. So at another place, this other old time Cop ( I say this with a lot of respect) we set up coffee cans and soup cans at 100 yds on a fence post. Just the kids in us I guess.

I hit a soup can at 100 yds, and said "thats it, I quit while I am ahead".
Old boy replied - "Oh no you don't we still have cans and we can have just as much fun missing as we can hitting.

He was using a Early style Detective Special, and getting more hits than I.

Heck, I still get a kick out of lobbing .410 slugs from a single shot shotgun...

Truth is, we might have to take a long shot, maybe not 100 yds, still knowing what a gun will do, and what we can do, is not a bad thing to practice.

Water Balloons are fun...

Beretta 21 in .22 lr is a lot more accurate than folks realize for sure!

 

[M2 Carbine]

Good shooting stories.
I don't know if me and my Kel Tec P-11 would be very good at 60 yards.


Got a little better average today.
I was rained out but I think three mags+3 was a good number of shots per target.
I think 24 shots pretty much tells you how you're doing on a target. I believe I'll use that as standard.
Of the 24 shots 1 is in the paper and the second miss, I assume, hit off the paper to the left.
I numbered the magazines.

I have to work on that hitting too far left and down.
The target was really blurred. 68 year old eyes suck.

 

[Marshall]

Yea, but how do you like your Garden Tractor.

 

[M2 Carbine]

I have about a 800-900 foot walk to my range.
Even though I know I should be getting the exercise I've been driving the tractor more lately.

 

[Marshall]

You ain't no foo.

What Manufacturer is it, I can't make out the name?

That's nice shooting from 3 incher!

 

[M2 Carbine]

That's a Kabota. Nice little tractor for mowing around the house and carrying my junk to the range.

 

[tegemu]

So much for the naysayers who adamently insist that a 3" 1911 cannot be shot with any degree of accuracy.

 

[M2 Carbine]

"So much for the naysayers who adamently insist that a 3" 1911 cannot be shot with any degree of accuracy."
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Yes, I'll probably introduce some of these targets the next time I hear that.

The thing is, I'm not what you would call a good shot anymore. I use to be, but old eyes and a less than steady hand have taken their toll on my accuracy.

I'd say now days I'm a decent shot.

The point being is, that those "belly" guns will keep all their shots in a man size target, even out to 100 yards, if the shooter does their part.

 

[Ala Dan]

Not bad there M2 My Friend-

I'll have too try that with my 3" Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II~!

 

[sm]

3 in Kimber will do it

 

[M2 Carbine]

Yesterday I moved on to the Makarov.
On the first target using 95gr Russian Barnaul FMJ the hit ratio was about one miss in three shots. 44 shots fired, including sighting in shots.

On the second target I used my 95gr lead RN reloads.
The hit ratio was better with seven misses out of 36 rounds.

First thing I'm aiming for is no misses of the silhouette when shooting thirty to forty rounds.
Then I want to see if all rounds can be kept inside the four ring.

I doubt that I'll be able to do that with these small guns, while standing, but it's fun trying.

 

[Marshall]

The difference in holes size is very apparent.

 

[P95Carry]

That's still pretty good Buck, for a small semi and short barrel.

Tho I did a lot of long range once, I'd be sure to find that pretty hard. Worst stage I expect is getting ''dialled in'' first and then managing with a small gun and simple sights - and standing!!!!

These days, less steady and old eyes will combine to give me a very much harder deal

 

[M2 Carbine]

"These days, less steady and old eyes will combine to give me a very much harder deal."
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That's the truth.

Wednesday the target was pretty blurry and yesterday I had trouble keeping the Makarov sights on the target.

I plan on doing some sitting to see how much difference the scores are.

I like the standing while shooting 100 yards.
Makes for harder work to hit that target.
Like a hit in the silhouette was earned.