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I am kind of curious as to the quality and capabilities of the Hi Power clones from FM and FEG. How do they compare to a standard MKIII. I have a T Series from 1968 as my only real experience with Hi Powers. It will only shoot ball ammo but I have heard with little modification it should be able to shoot any type of bullet.

Also what about the Charles Daly clones that are out there?
 
No offense intended, but these very questions have been answered hundreds of times here and all over the internet. "Search this Thread" above and Google will provide you with more than you ever dreamed of.
 
FM had a good rep. Feg has followers. IMHO none are worth the coin.

Some people really like the Daly version. A bit more updated with more modern sights and features.

For me none are even close to the real deal.

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There doesnt seem to be many stainless options available either. The ones that are tend to always be the Practical model with the outrageous adjustable sights.
 
Practicals do not have adjustable sights from the factory.

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The closest thing to stainless you are going to find is the Chrome versions.

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I once owned an FEG HiPower, back when they could be bought for $200. It shot fine, but for some reason, it just wasn't imbued with the magic installed by the Belgian elves who made my "real" HiPowers.
I am surprised your T model won't feed JHP's. I have heard of such a thing involving the older feed ramp profile, but I have owned and shot both a Nazi HiPower and an Inglis HiPower...Both would feed anything I loaded into them, and so does my current '73.
And, to those who feel the need to lecture the OP about using the search function, buzz off....you are rude and low road (not High Road).
 
That chrome version you have pictured rellascout has the kind of sights I am referring to. Maybe I am overrating stainless but I want to start carrying a HP and think stainless has better "holster life"
 
It is not stainless it is brushed chrome. It will wear as fast as the blue IMHO.
 
"And, to those who feel the need to lecture the OP about using the search function, buzz off....you are rude and low road (not High Road)."

Not a lecture, but a polite sign post, unlike your uncalled-for rudeness. Perhaps I should have just repeated the same info that has been on countless other posts, or discussed the "magical" properties of some of my pistols.
"Buzzing" off to a higher road, bye AMD.
 
I have had a few clones: I have had 1 FEG, and 3 FM-Argentines. The Feg had its share of issues. During the course of my ownership of it, everything but the barrel, frame, and slide were replaced with Browning parts... However, that couldn't solve the issue of the soft metal. I bought it used, so I don't have a perfect round count, but after ~3,500 rounds by me, the frame rails started to peen where the slide contacts during recoil.

I finally sold it and bought a 1911.

As for my FMs, I have had three (still have one), and I kick myself for ever selling them. Were they as nice as the real FN/Browning? Certainly not, but they ran like a top. I love the FMs for the role of "beater gun." Parts interchange, they're eminently reliable, they take the same mags and ammo I already use. Hard to argue against their utility.

I still have 2 Brownings and 1 FN, and nothing in the clone market even comes close to these... but "real" BHPs are pricy guns.



As far as how they compare to a MkIII, it depends which specific clone you get.

  • The FEGs are basically equivalent to a early 70s Hi Power, blue finish. Some come with the old small safety, but some have an extended safety (non-ambi). No firing pin block.
  • The Charles Daly is a FEG, but it has better grips and sights (XS Express sights), and matte blue finish with brushed slide flats. The ones I've seen also have the extended non-ambi safety. No firing pin block.
  • The FMs have a few variations:
    • Early FMs are also based on a circa~1970s Hi Power, but it has a finish that is similar to the MkIII epoxy finish, just uglier. It looks like paint. These came with the small safety. No firing pin block.
    • A later model, the FM M-90, has a few changes. The "stepped" lightening cut on the front of the slide is gone, giving it a 1911 look. The finer Browning-stlye slide serrations were replaced with wider serrations (example in picture). Same paint-like finish, same small safety. No firing pin block.
    • The "Detective" is the same as above, just with a shorter slide, equivalent size reduction as full-size 1911 and Officer's model.
    • The latest model, the FM M-95 "Classic", also lacks the "steps" on the front of the slide (as mentioned on the M-90), and also has the wider slide serrations. This one was meant to reflect the changes of the Browning MkIIIs, so it has the same thumb-rest grips, extended ambi safety, and "3-bar" sights as the Brownings do. This model also has the same firing pin block as in the MkIII. THis one also has the paint-like finish, but they did a better job with it, as these look nicer than previous FMs.
    • Lastly, there are M-95 Detective models, too. Specs are the same, just shorter barrel/slide.
It should also be noted that *almost* all of the clones come with the round rowel-type hammer.

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Browning MkIII on top, FN MkIII in the middle, and FM-Argentine M-95 Classic on bottom.

I think everybody should have a beater -- and the clones fill that role nicely, but for CCW, or for something to pass down someday, get the real deal. As much as I like the FM-Argentine guns, they're still not on the same level. For an analogy, I think it's like comparing a Springfield Mil-Spec (not to be confused with the GI model) and a Springfield TRP. Both good guns, but you can see and feel the difference.

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Wes
 
Maybe I am overrating stainless but I want to start carrying a HP and think stainless has better "holster life"

Browning has never made a stainless Hi Power.

But if you feel inclined to make one yourself... :evil: click here.

I'm going to, someday.
Wes
 
I am lucky enough to have a real Belgian Browning for my "beater" carry gun...Found one at the gun show right after selling another handgun.
It was missing the rear sight, and showed lots of finish wear. The wood grips were also missing lots of finish. Basically, the pistol looked as if it had been carried in a tool box. It was marked $275, and I got it for $250. I re-finished the grips myself. Found the original "beer can" rear sight on EBAY, cheap. It was made in '73. While I liked my FEG, and it seemed well made and finished, I would never say it was in any way equivalent to a '70's Hi Power.
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And, to johnnyc: If you didn't want to respond intelligently to the OP, or were bored by the subject, you shouldn't have even opened the thread. Search functions are great, but the internet is not, and never should be static. Knowledge advances, problems develop in pistols that were not known of two years ago when someone posted "it's great!". I was not trying to be rude, but I am offended by those who respond to an honest question with a lecture about the search function. Plenty of other people were interested enough to answer the OP's question.
 
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I responded quite rudely myself to jonnyc but decided to edit it out due to the fact that what he said was true. He told me to do a Google search which was wise because I had already tried the serch function for FEG and FM and came back with nothing. However the Google search pointed me to High Powers and Handguns and that has proven quite effective.
 
I have a MKII Browning and a FM military model.

The FM is really not a clone because they were made under contract from FN.

The FM was really cheap when I got it a few years ago. Something under $300.00 I think. It is loose and rough like you would expect a military gun to be. It has a super tight chamber for some reason and won't chamber poorly re-sized reloads while my Browning will. It is however very accurate and the trigger pull was exellant after I removed the mag safety. Well worth what I paid.
Will
 
This topic comes up here fairly often. I have posted my opinions and experiences several times.

In sum - my BHPs have been less satisfying to me than my FEGs. I have several FEGs with round counts well over 5K at this point with less slop in the rail-to-slide interface than my MkIIIs came with brand new.....
 
I once owned an FM, the type with the 1911-style profile at the front of the slide. I liked it, until the slide cracked from the front edge of the ejection port to the bottom of the slide.
 
Got a Arcus 94C and Rossi 851 and one hundred and fifty cash for a Ruger SBH .44 mag 7.5". I miss the SBH(bought it from a nice old lady at an estate sale on the last day, she sold it to me cheap to spite a gangsta' wannabe who was hassling her over the $300 price). I already had a SBH 7.5" .44 mag, and foolishly at the time wondered why I wanted two.

I got some mileage out of the Arcus 94C and Rossi 851. Both went to my female cousin when she moved to Florida (taught her to shoot on both of them, and she wanted the Arcus for home and the Rossi for out and about). It was a good shooter till you got to the 100rd mark and the barrel would start foul and hitting a playing card at 20 yards became interesting.

It did make me want to get a real original for a long while but for the expense and limited personal use (left handed, I shoot right a lot but I don't care for one-sided only safeties normally) I can't justify one. If I see one for $250 or less at an estate sale or gunshow and it is in better than 80% shape than I'll pick it up and clean it up for a fun little histroy piece like my Colt 1903. A lot of widows have sold me handguns, so maybe I'll get lucky. I got the Colt 1903 along with $50 cash for replacing a garbage disposal, trimming half a dozen trees, ripping out three rotting trees and cutting them up(a quick $900 worth of work on a good day 'round here), and then I felt me and Karma were square.
 
I have a T Series from 1968 as my only real experience with Hi Powers. It will only shoot ball ammo but I have heard with little modification it should be able to shoot any type of bullet.

My t-series BHP, also purchased in 1968, chambers/fires/ejects/reloads anything I have fed it. Have you tried some of the modern rounds? If, in fact, your t-series does not like hollow points, get a gunsmith to polish (not grind) the humped feed ramp on the barrel, and try again. Then, and only then, have the smith tenderly grind down the hump a tiny bit.

As for the ability "to shoot any type of bullet", many modern pistol designs randomly "dislike" various cartridges. This is something you are supposed to sort out yourself.

You already have the best, so stop sniffing around for copies.

Cordially, Jack
 
I can't speak about the Browning guns nor very much about the FEG clones, except that FEG impressed me by changing to a S&W style double action trigger system in a HP style frame. I have never been a single action auto fan, which is why I don't own a 1911. However I do love the .45acp round, so I got this... ...A FEG GKK .45acp!
 

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The FM is really not a clone because they were made under contract from FN.

I suppose it's a matter of opinion. I consider them clones... at any rate, they are not licensed any more, and haven't been for some time. Doesn't make them less of a gun.

my BHPs have been less satisfying to me than my FEGs.

It's odd that there is such variance in experience with these... maybe I'll have to try another one if it floats across my path.

Wes
 
I love my 1994 Silver Chrome Browning Hi Power. Itw very well made, tight, accurate and 100% reliable. The hard chrome finish is MUCH more durable than bluing unlike what a previous poster said.
 
I have a FEG PJK-9HP Hi-Power clone, and I've been very pleased with it. It functions 100% reliably with FMJ ammo (I've never tried HP ammo in it), has a beautiful blue finish, is accurate, and (after removing the mag safety and putting a few hundred rounds through it) it has a very good trigger. I consider it a real value for the price I paid.


nero
 
I have a CD HP. Cost me $299.95, best deal I've ever done on a handgun.
It's now my favorite 9mm.
CD quit making them a few years ago because they were losing money on every one they sold. If you see one in nice shape under $400, buy it quick!
 
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