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Hi Viz or Tru Glo front sight?
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I use a Tru-Glo for mount training. The one I have is a hollow tube that you must look down pretty precisely to see the glowing orange fiber light pipe. It helped the consistency of my mount and consequently my shotgunning improved. HERE is a link to the one I use. Slug shooting with this thing is a CINCH.
If you try to use a light pipe for actual shotgunning (aside from slugs and buckshot) it will KILL your chances of hitting anything. In bright light they are so bright as to obstruct your vision even. The count of really good shotgunners I have seen with one on for shooting is VERY low.
The bead/s is/are only there for learning to mount the shotgun consistently, from there you must learn to shoot.
If you try to use a light pipe for actual shotgunning (aside from slugs and buckshot) it will KILL your chances of hitting anything. In bright light they are so bright as to obstruct your vision even. The count of really good shotgunners I have seen with one on for shooting is VERY low.
The bead/s is/are only there for learning to mount the shotgun consistently, from there you must learn to shoot.
Steve, the better shotgunners don't use the beads or sights or anything else. They "know" where the shotgun in their hands will hit provided they mount it correctly, provided they have that knowledge AND use it well AND read the target correctly they have just powdered the target. Powdered targets win championships and bragging rights no matter the company kept.
The best shotgunners would have to think about what type of bead they have and if there are two or not etc, they would not even know off hand what they have because it just does not matter when you have become truly COMFORTABLE with your shotgun. Beads fall off and these guys are clueless as to when it happened if you get my drift.
The key here is to find out where your shotgun shoots for YOU with a reasonable mount and reasonable fit. Once you know where it shoots you are only tasked with reading the target and executing the shot. Reading targets IS tough and 98% of shooters never get to the point that it even really matters because they don't KNOW where the gun shoots with each and every mount and they don't KNOW it was mounted the EXACTLY the same way each time.
Some good basic instruction would save you the tens of thousands of shotshells and the tens of thousands of dollars some of us spent learning how to shoot shotguns well. We knew we could learn how to shoot ourselves but the only ones we hurt was ourselves.
I shoot pretty darn well and I am totally self taught if you don't count articles and books but boy howdy did I drop some coin on guns and shells and range fees to get here. I chose the least efficient path. YOU can do better with less IF you use what you have as best possible. Think smart, don't work hard. After all is said and done, shotgunning is not half as hard as it looks.
The best shotgunners would have to think about what type of bead they have and if there are two or not etc, they would not even know off hand what they have because it just does not matter when you have become truly COMFORTABLE with your shotgun. Beads fall off and these guys are clueless as to when it happened if you get my drift.
The key here is to find out where your shotgun shoots for YOU with a reasonable mount and reasonable fit. Once you know where it shoots you are only tasked with reading the target and executing the shot. Reading targets IS tough and 98% of shooters never get to the point that it even really matters because they don't KNOW where the gun shoots with each and every mount and they don't KNOW it was mounted the EXACTLY the same way each time.
Some good basic instruction would save you the tens of thousands of shotshells and the tens of thousands of dollars some of us spent learning how to shoot shotguns well. We knew we could learn how to shoot ourselves but the only ones we hurt was ourselves.
I shoot pretty darn well and I am totally self taught if you don't count articles and books but boy howdy did I drop some coin on guns and shells and range fees to get here. I chose the least efficient path. YOU can do better with less IF you use what you have as best possible. Think smart, don't work hard. After all is said and done, shotgunning is not half as hard as it looks.
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HSMITH is giving some great free advice here folks.
A shotgun is "pointed" not "aimed".
[exceptions do exist].
Brister's Book, getting some instruction-especially gun fit and proper mounting- is a MUST. H mentioned it, I do, Dave keeps bringing this up.
I learned to shoot without any sights or beads at all. Shotguns, handguns, or rifles.
I use(d) a page from Brister's Book in teaching new shooters--ages ran from 5 to 70 y/o. Simple BB gun,least expensive the better...remove the sights totally, have them focus on ping pong balls and shoot them.
The human being is the best computer period. Remarkable eye/hand coordination. Like anything else you have to use it or lose it.
A shotgun is "pointed" not "aimed".
[exceptions do exist].
Brister's Book, getting some instruction-especially gun fit and proper mounting- is a MUST. H mentioned it, I do, Dave keeps bringing this up.
I learned to shoot without any sights or beads at all. Shotguns, handguns, or rifles.
I use(d) a page from Brister's Book in teaching new shooters--ages ran from 5 to 70 y/o. Simple BB gun,least expensive the better...remove the sights totally, have them focus on ping pong balls and shoot them.
The human being is the best computer period. Remarkable eye/hand coordination. Like anything else you have to use it or lose it.
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Steve, there's Gospel being preached here. The Green Worm sights are good for turkey, slug shooting, and so on. They are a BAD choice for wingshooting or clays.
When a shotgun is used like a rifle, high viz is OK. When we shoot flying stuff, we're looking at the target if we really want to hit it. Hi viz sights then are a distraction.
When a shotgun is used like a rifle, high viz is OK. When we shoot flying stuff, we're looking at the target if we really want to hit it. Hi viz sights then are a distraction.
Add my voice to the chorus. I have one gun that came with the replaceable Hi Viz sights and they drove me to distraction until I removed them completely.
However, the three dot Tru Glo sight that rests on top my 870 slug barrel is very nice although a little fragile. Where I really like these sights is on top of a pistol. I'm not much of a handgunner but I recently tried a Glock with the Hi Viz sights and it made a real difference.
Paul
However, the three dot Tru Glo sight that rests on top my 870 slug barrel is very nice although a little fragile. Where I really like these sights is on top of a pistol. I'm not much of a handgunner but I recently tried a Glock with the Hi Viz sights and it made a real difference.
Paul
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I am gonna be brave and go against the dogma that hi viz sights aren't helpful in clays.
Now for the old timers not used to it, they tend to find it distracting and bothersome. But for me, at the beginning it helped me develop a more consistent mount. I'd bring it up and when I'd see the hi viz sights properly I knew I was good to go.
It never distracted me (emphasize me, everyones different) and in fact it helped since my eyes are cross dominant I used to shoot one eye because I would see double, but the light pipe solved that problem, don't know how but it did and I shoot two eye now.
I know Tom Knapp, the guy who has the world record for hand thrown clays uses some sort of light pipe sights. So they can't be horrible for clays cuz he's pretty darn good. Not saying if Tom Knapp uses it, it must be good just showing the dogma ain't true for everyone.
Now it doesn't matter, hi viz sight, beed whatever....I know my shotgun well enough to snap it up, point and blast. Thats really the key, know your shotgun and everything just falls into place.
HTH
Now for the old timers not used to it, they tend to find it distracting and bothersome. But for me, at the beginning it helped me develop a more consistent mount. I'd bring it up and when I'd see the hi viz sights properly I knew I was good to go.
It never distracted me (emphasize me, everyones different) and in fact it helped since my eyes are cross dominant I used to shoot one eye because I would see double, but the light pipe solved that problem, don't know how but it did and I shoot two eye now.
I know Tom Knapp, the guy who has the world record for hand thrown clays uses some sort of light pipe sights. So they can't be horrible for clays cuz he's pretty darn good. Not saying if Tom Knapp uses it, it must be good just showing the dogma ain't true for everyone.
Now it doesn't matter, hi viz sight, beed whatever....I know my shotgun well enough to snap it up, point and blast. Thats really the key, know your shotgun and everything just falls into place.
HTH
ysr_racer
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If you're looking at the beads or light pipes, you just missed the target.
The ONLY time you should look at the beads is when you are mounting and dry firing and then only after you mount the gun.
ALWAYS look at the target. (it's that orange thing flying around that you're trying to break)
The ONLY time you should look at the beads is when you are mounting and dry firing and then only after you mount the gun.
ALWAYS look at the target. (it's that orange thing flying around that you're trying to break)
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