Identifying 1858 Remington manufacturer - FAILED. But...

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...some really interesting information surfaced.

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I called EMF to see if they could identify the manufacturer of my 1980s (1982?) Remington New Army revolver. During my conversation with them over a few days, I discovered that the wooden presentation case was still in the original box in my gun safe. The only additional clue on the box was on a white label with a hand written ink notation that reads "Remington 44 Steel, u 5013".

Back to the folks at EMF. Everyone working there compared notes but couldn't identify the manufacturer's mark, if that is what it is. To make things a bit harder, when Mr. Davis, the owner, died in 2014 they thought they would be closing EMF so shredded and disposed of all of the records for their black powder firearms since there is no Federal legal requirement to maintain them. Records for other firearms were also headed for the shredder, before it was decided the company would not close. There is, though, no guarantee at all there would have been anything in the shredded records that would have helped in identifying the mark on my revolver. To the contrary, they believe that they had no records going that far back, anyway.

Next, they called the gentleman who was the owner of EMF at the time my revolver was sold. He is apparently very old and in shaky health. It took a while before he could call back, but he did, and talked to them at length about the history of the company, but could not recall who his suppliers were.

So, kudos, to the folks at EMF for their tenacity and desire to help a customer. They definitely did everything that they could and went way beyond what most businesses would have done, IMHO. A big thank you to EMF!

It looks like the manufacturer of my revolver may remain a mystery, at this point, but I thought it worth mentioning my search to document what I discovered for future researchers benefit.
 
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Yes they were very helpful and really went the extra mile for you. Interesting that they could not identify that mark because it sure looks like a manufacture's mark to me. There were a lot of small builders back then but most are all gone now.

But some needed to go.
 
at some point in the distant past, well since I joined, this mark was identified.

it was some small family shop IIRC that had been making parts that briefly tried its hand at assembling whole revolvers with parts from other small family businesses that was eventual absorbed by someone bigger.

Someone actual had the family name and story at the time.

edit: Maybe "Riva Esterina" that went out of business in about 1980?

I would have sworn we had a sticky on makers marks, but I did not see it.

-kBob
 
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The "u" prefixing the "5013" on the label is interesting.

Uberti has been known to hide their mark on the frame covered up by the trigger guard.

Sorry, but I can't remember if you said you pulled the guard in your previous thread.

We just love mysteries!!!
 
@Ephraim Kibbey: I pulled the trigger guard and no marks on the frame. There was a "66" in black marker on the trigger guard, itself.

@kBob: I searched the forum for mentions of Riva Esterina and it appears their mark may have been PR. Not sure the mark on my pistol could be interpreted that way and there were no pictures of the mark in any of the posts I found. Drat.
 
There are numerous examples of the "PR" logo pictured online and they do not look anything like this mark.

"FIE" seems to have been their chief importer.

I have seen several different gunsmiths connected to the "PR" logo with even Poudre Noir in Europe unsure as to which is correct.

That said, I can see that this mark could be interpreted as a "P" in the middle surrounded by not one but two "R"s.

So we may be looking for "PRR" or "RRP" gunsmiths or manufacturers.
 
"That said, I can see that this mark could be interpreted as a "P" in the middle surrounded by not one but two "R"s.

So we may be looking for "PRR" or "RRP" gunsmiths or manufacturers."

Or "RRR".
 
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The only mention I could find of an RRR marking on a black powder replica was from a British website called gunmart.net. In the comments section two gentlemen both made the same inquiry concerning Italian made Model 1863 Zouave rifles that had the RRR logo on them but they received no reply as to who the manufacturer was.

I looked into Ranson Italia and Rigarmi as they also made black powder replicas but neither of them used the RRR marking.

Maybe try contacting Dixie Gun Works or Navy Arms to see if they have any recollection about who had that logo.
 
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