Idiotic News Story - what would you do?

[calaverasslim]

"I don't think ARMED INTERVENTION" is wrong, but folks, let's us reason together.

"A REASONABLE INTERVENTION' (READ RESAONABLE GUN LAW) is something we should consider. HHHUUMMMMMM, let me think a minute.....HHHUUUMMMM.

Darn the girl is dead.....oh welll, too late, its a shame, someone shudda done something.....

 

[Fifteen+1]

One woman just jogged on, followed by another woman who walked passed the confrontation. Then there are the guys who just watched as our actress was being pushed to the ground. So we told our actors to ramp it up a bit, thinking they were not loud or hands on enough.

Ok I am going to clear this up before I say this.....I am kidding

These are two smart women. If Ike and Tina are fighting in the park why would two more women stop to take a chance on getting the hell beat out of them too. Maybe the woman jogging was going to get her linebacker boyfriend at the smoothie stand. Maybe the two guys were going to mug the couple but then said well this is a much better scene than what we would have put on. What if I walked up and cracked a 2 x 4 across the back his head? What then? Who would save him from his attacker. The two women jogging? Shows like punked have made us this way, hop into a time machine and go back to 1960 and try this crap....John Wayne would beat the snot out of that guy.

If you ask most LEO's they will tell you a simple truth. In a suprising number of "domestic violence" incidents the victim will turn against you when you try and arrest the aggressor. OR the victim won't want to press charges. OR the victim will gladly run to the car and drive away with the 300 pound thug after he pounds you into the ground like a tent peg.

Its common knowledge that some women are mentally ill, and would gladly see you thrown in jail for daring to interrupt their loving huband's romantic public beatings.

In this case, just shoot both of them.

 

[KelVarnson]

I'm not saying it would hold up in court, and I am certainly not a lawyer, but I would categorize the behavior of the station and their actors as intentional infliction of emotional distress. Some passers-by would intervene, some would not, but either way I'm sure the vast majority of them, being normal everyday folks, would get an adrenaline rush out of it.

And those that do pass by, and don't later watch the news, might not ever find out that this was not real, so they're carrying that around with them, that they witnessed an actual act of abuse, and didn't intervene. That sucks, and it is all just for ratings. Pretty sick, IMHO.

 

[RX-178]

Think of what LEOs say when they come across this kind of a scenario? It would be a good idea to take careful note of this.

'Is there a problem?'

Think about how many ways that could be answered, and think about how important it might be for you to get those answers before bullets start flying.

 

[KelVarnson]

RX, that is an interesting observation. That does seem to be what cops say, and I had never thought about it in this context.

 

[Brassbutten]

HI. Yes I'm new here, But I just read treo's answer to the other newbe's Q: What would you do? Listen to treos adv, Its good. Any one have hind sight here? What happens after you pull the trigger? Cops come. You have to explain. Gun better be legal. Was it concelled? If yes. Why? You can break more laws then you think. Shooting within city limits. My town has a noise law, Includes gun blasts. Public endangerment comes to mind. Slap him first, anyone that has had a gun pointed at them pretty much stops what there doing unless there on drugs, If he comes at you..run..... If you decide to shoot. then call a lawyer. NO B.S. Best have 911 on your cell to record whats going on or youll be in one. Reverse this situation, What do you want to happen? If your carrying[legelay] Shoot. Best be judged by12 then carryed by 6.

 

[TRX]

> I'm very unclear whether the law would back me if I
> were to shoot the apparent aggressor here in my
> state.

I don't see that it's a situation that requires a firearm. Presumably the guy has both hands full choking the woman. Walk up to an optimal position, then step forward and try to kick his balls up into his throat. Then use a phone to call 9-1-1.

If they were on the other side of a fence you couldn't climb, or you saw the outline of a gun in his pocket, or if he had a knife visible, using your gun might be the correct answer. But as the situation was presented, it doesn't justify shooting.

 

[frogomatic]

large man choking a woman, he's gets a verbal order to cease, if that fails, I draw and repeat that verbal warning. If that fails, well, it may not be possible to fire without endangering the woman due to their close proximity, but I'm damn sure going to do SOMTHING, kick him, punch him, give him a papercut and pour lemon juice on it. perhaps draw his attention long enough to give the woman a chance to escape. If she can get clear, and he's still intent on harming her or me, then I don't see how I have any choice but to fire.

 

[ezypikns]

The original stunt by the TV folks was dumb and irresponsible.

My CHL (or CCW) instructor gave our class this scenario: You hear loud voices at a gas station or other public place. You notice a large man holding a gun and shouting at an (apparently) defenseless woman. You draw your weapon, begin issuing commands to this dangerous man, and prepare to defend this damsel in distress. You're absolutely in the right!

Trouble is, the man is an undercover police officer. The "defenseless" woman is a dangerous felon who uses your interruption to draw a weapon and shoot the officer, then flee the scene. Maybe calling 911 wasn't such a bad idea.

Impossible?


The idea behind concealed carry is that you are able to defend your own life or the lives of your family. You are not a peace officer. You'd better be darn sure before you draw your weapon and begin shooting.

My guess is that if you'd shot and killed this fellow with the TV news crew, you'd probably eventually be exonerated. That is, after spending some time in jail and undoubted thousands of dollars for your legal defense.

If you feel this is the wrong attitude, just fire away. I sure could be wrong.

 

[Mr Crowley]

I agree with you ezypikns.

This situation is just like one of those Socratic paradoxes.

Your not a peace officer or your not batman, but if you just stand there and watch a defenseless person.....

In the situation that your instructor gave. I don't think there is a right answer to that.


what would I do if stumble upon that situation?
run away as fast as I can

what would I want someone to do if they walk up on me getting shot at?
kill the guy shooting at me

so who knows

 

[ezypikns]

That's probably the most accurate thing.........

said so far.

so who knows