JBrady555
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That is a really well written article. More and more of these talks are starting to surface, its nice to see that true patriotism is still alive.
If they come for your guns do you have the responsibility to fight?
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Of course not. If "we" had the responsibility to fight then we wouldn't be having this issue.
We have the right, but not the responsibility, to fight an tyrannical government.
May I ask, who's responsibility it is then to fight tyranny? I remember pledging allegiance to my countries flag, the republic for which it stands, and for liberty and justice for all. If the responsibility does not rest upon the people of this country, then who's responsibility is it?
Dr. Sandman
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20% is a high number.
xXxplosive
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As I see it...........these are the people we placed by our vote in public office....shame on us.....yet they intern swore to uphold and defend the US Constitution in their Oath Of Aliegence sworn on a bible before God and the chosen Administrator.....shame on them.
Now whose job is it to fix it when it's broken.....?
Now whose job is it to fix it when it's broken.....?
Jaxondog
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I agree, but a letter in the mail is quite feesable.
Watch out for the summer soldiers and sunshine patriots
I agree with hso on this.
Now, speaking as an American citizen, I do believe we (as in all able bodied persons of fighting age) do have a responsibility to retain the option of armed resistance to tyranny. I think it is the presence of our battle rifles, i.e. the option of armed resistance, that keeps the government from going to full on tyranny. I also feel adults bear the responsibility to insure that the next generation understands why we keep and bear arms and pass the means of defense against tyranny down to them.
So, I feel we do have some responsibilities related to this topic but actually engaging in a firefight is not one of them.
There was great opposition within the states against the revolutionary war. It was not at all a unanimous effort.
I happen to know a lot of the county and state cops in my area.
They do gun confiscations all the time with the criminal element.
It would be real ugly real quick if it ever came to seizing guns from law abiding citizens.
They could do it, not so sure they would want to...
Bob Bonillas
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Any LEO that follows an unconstitutional order becomes the criminal at that point.
Keeping ourselves well armed and trained is the key to avoiding firefights; when the agencies being asked to enforce a law refuse because they don't want to die we can keep things on a ballot box level and deal with politicians at the next election cycle.
It's pretty much like being in a Cold War with the fedgov, our capability for armed conflict keeps them from firing the first shot.
This quote sums it up...
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?...
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
I truly do feel that we have an actual responsibility to retain the option of picking up a modern battle rifle and waging war, it is this ability to do so that keeps us free citizens.
There will be those who voluntarily cede their rights. And there's nothing anyone can do about it. We all cede some of our inherent rights. We do it in order to have a peaceful, orderly society. We cede private property rights to have roads, public buildings, etc. But if a citizen cedes 2nd Amendment, or any other inherent rights, then that's his/her prerogative.
We're a constitutionally limited republic, not a democracy. We depend on elected officials to protect our rights, especially those who may be in the minority (gun owners, e.g.). As such, it's the responsibility of the minority to have voices loud enough to insure those rights are protected. Certainly, it's in each citizens' interests to protect themselves and those near and dear to them. But no one can be forced to exercise their rights.
The Revolutionary War is actually a misnomer. We had colonial governments in place, although diverse among the colonies. At the end of the war, those governments remained in place, largely unchanged. We did not revolt in the same sense the French populace did in 1789. The Founding Fathers also new that the demand for representation in Parliament, was something of a red herring. They well knew that if the colonies had representatives in Parliament, then those voices would be lost in the minority of a parliamentary monarchy. Nothing would ever get done to help the colonies. Separation from the mother country was the only solution.
We're a constitutionally limited republic, not a democracy. We depend on elected officials to protect our rights, especially those who may be in the minority (gun owners, e.g.). As such, it's the responsibility of the minority to have voices loud enough to insure those rights are protected. Certainly, it's in each citizens' interests to protect themselves and those near and dear to them. But no one can be forced to exercise their rights.
The Revolutionary War is actually a misnomer. We had colonial governments in place, although diverse among the colonies. At the end of the war, those governments remained in place, largely unchanged. We did not revolt in the same sense the French populace did in 1789. The Founding Fathers also new that the demand for representation in Parliament, was something of a red herring. They well knew that if the colonies had representatives in Parliament, then those voices would be lost in the minority of a parliamentary monarchy. Nothing would ever get done to help the colonies. Separation from the mother country was the only solution.
easyg
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It is no one's responsibility to fight anything.
How can you be truly free if you are some how obligated to do something which you don't choose to do?
The "Pledge of Allegiance" was written in 1892, decades after the War for Independence.
It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with being a U.S. citizen, and it is nothing that any U.S. citizen should ever be asked to pledge or recite.
It is actually a tool used by the government to control the people of this land.
True freedom does not require anyone to have any "responsibility" to anyone or any government organization.
Justin
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Here's a suggestion.
Instead of screwing off posting in a thread on a public forum, viewable to anyone who comes along, about how we need to throw the next revolution, perhaps we could all head that particular future off at the pass by engaging in a bit of political activism by calling/writing/emailing/faxing our elected representatives to voice our disapproval about the institution of any further gun control.
I've long held the belief that a man who isn't willing to pick up a phone and make a call to his senator sure as Hell isn't going to be the kind of man who'd ever pick up a rifle if called upon.
Instead of screwing off posting in a thread on a public forum, viewable to anyone who comes along, about how we need to throw the next revolution, perhaps we could all head that particular future off at the pass by engaging in a bit of political activism by calling/writing/emailing/faxing our elected representatives to voice our disapproval about the institution of any further gun control.
I've long held the belief that a man who isn't willing to pick up a phone and make a call to his senator sure as Hell isn't going to be the kind of man who'd ever pick up a rifle if called upon.
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