I'm confused about the whole internet sales thing with UBC

[BobTheTomato]

I bet they mean if you find someone on the internet to sell your gun to it will be illegal unless you get a background check. Craigslist type ads will be illegal. Print media is dying and this is how they will get us.

 

[Sam1911]

If you buy face to face from someone outside your state, is that fine?

No. If you buy a firearm from someone from another state, or in another state, you must transfer that weapon through a FFL dealer. If the gun is a rifle or shotgun, the dealer may be located in either your state or the seller's state. If the gun is a handgun, the dealer transferring it to you must be in YOUR state.

 

[Zoogster]

It is a facade.

You cannot simply buy new guns online and have them sent to you like other products.
An FFL cannot sell you a gun without a background check and any gunshop either online or otherwise is an FFL.
They must ship that gun to a local FFL, who then checks with NICs and asks the government permission to give you the gun.

You can find someone local to deal with in states that allow you to make in state sales. Some states allow that and some do not.
But if either an FFL is involved, as is the case in all gun businesses, or if it crosses state lines, then it must go through an FFL under federal law.
Also private individuals cannot legally be in the 'business' of buying and selling firearms without an FFL, so legally someone should not be making private transfers without an FFL very often even locally.
Similarly most tables at gun shows with firearms are operated by FFLs that must go through NICS and ask the government permission to let you have the firearm.
The media similarly confused a lot of people with the 'gunshow loophole' implying that guns at gun shows didn't go through a background check, when the majority do.
Those frequently at gun shows trading firearms without an FFL also can find themselves in trouble with the ATF, which spend a lot of time at gun shows. The ATF just has to determine they are 'in the business of' without the proper license.



The media is not that ignorant about online sales, they are clearly intentionally lying to create a simple argument for mass consumption.
Adding all the details complicates it and it is no longer seems like the big deal they want it to sound like.
So they keep it simple and talk about guns being sold online, with all the implications that just like everything else you can buy online it goes to your house no questions asked.


The media are often liars. It takes subjects you know more about to see it as clearly as it is. Just imagine how often they slip by things you are less educated about and you believe it.

 

[FROGO207]

You can PAY face to face out of state but the actual transfer of any firearm from out of state has to be transferred through a FFL. In the buyers state for a hand gun and/or a neighboring state for a long gun, then a 4473 needs to be filled out and passed by the buyer before they gain possession of the previously purchased firearm.

Face to face money swap for a firearm without paperwork is from within their own state only. You have to make sure that the buyer is from your state and not a prohibited person (within reason, but the buyer certainly could lie about this and the seller has no way to tell other than go through a FFL) per the law.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Just saw another thread in which the poster claims shipping within GA is legal without an FFL involved for long guns?? Is this true there and in other states??

There is no federal law on intrastate transfers, only interstate transfers. So yes, unless state law prohibits it, a non-FFL can ship a firearm to another non-FFL as long as both are residents of the same state.

This would be the only tiny fragment of truth to the anti's claims. I wouldn't personally do it, and I've never heard of anyone else doing it, but yes, you can legally transfer & ship firearms intrastate between non-FFLs without the involvement of an FFL, provided that the state doesn't prohibit it.

Interstate transfers, however, must always go through an FFL, private seller or not. That's been well covered above.

 

[Captain33036]

Maybe someone has mentioned this but, it is also a crime to sell a firearm, in a private sale, if you know that person is a prohibited person.

So, not sure why more laws would be needed.

Most conscientious gun owners in FL ask for a persons CWP and FL DL before considering a sale.

If you suspect someone...it is a simple matter to just google them. If they have been arrested in your state, you will probably find their mugshot online.

 

[JRH6856]

So, not sure why more laws would be needed.

Because someone in Congress thinks we are all criminals who must be stopped rather than honest citizens who are innocent until proven guilty.

 

[peyton]

I found a revolver for sale here and met the seller at the walmart parking lot. We were both residents of texas and deal done and I am happy.