'It Can't Happen Here' - Ron Paul

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This is quite old so I imagine it already made it's rounds here, I just couldn't find it.

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst122004.htm

It Can't Happen Here


December 20, 2004


In 2002 I asked my House colleagues a rhetorical question with regard to the onslaught of government growth in the post-September 11th era: Is America becoming a police state?

The question is no longer rhetorical. We are not yet living in a total police state, but it is fast approaching. The seeds of future tyranny have been sown, and many of our basic protections against government have been undermined. The atmosphere since 2001 has permitted Congress to create whole new departments and agencies that purport to make us safer- always at the expense of our liberty. But security and liberty go hand-in-hand. Members of Congress, like too many Americans, don’t understand that a society with no constraints on its government cannot be secure. History proves that societies crumble when their governments become more powerful than the people and private institutions.

Unfortunately, the new intelligence bill passed by Congress two weeks ago moves us closer to an encroaching police state by imposing the precursor to a full-fledged national ID card. Within two years, every American will need a “conforming†ID to deal with any federal agency-- including TSA at the airport.

Undoubtedly many Americans and members of Congress don’t believe America is becoming a police state, which is reasonable enough. They associate the phrase with highly visible symbols of authoritarianism like military patrols, martial law, and summary executions. But we ought to be concerned that we have laid the foundation for tyranny by making the public more docile, more accustomed to government bullying, and more accepting of arbitrary authority- all in the name of security. Our love for liberty above all has been so diminished that we tolerate intrusions into our privacy that would have been abhorred just a few years ago. We tolerate inconveniences and infringements upon our liberties in a manner that reflects poorly on our great national character of rugged individualism. American history, at least in part, is a history of people who don’t like being told what to do. Yet we are increasingly empowering the federal government and its agents to run our lives.

Terror, fear, and crises like 9-11 are used to achieve complacency and obedience, especially when citizens are deluded into believing they are still a free people. The loss of liberty, we are assured, will be minimal, short-lived, and necessary. Many citizens believe that once the war on terror is over, restrictions on their liberties will be reversed. But this war is undeclared and open-ended, with no precise enemy and no expressly stated final goal. Terrorism will never be eradicated completely; does this mean future presidents will assert extraordinary war powers indefinitely?

Washington DC provides a vivid illustration of what our future might look like. Visitors to Capitol Hill encounter police barricades, metal detectors, paramilitary officers carrying fully automatic rifles, police dogs, ID checks, and vehicle stops. The people are totally disarmed; only the police and criminals have guns. Surveillance cameras are everywhere, monitoring street activity, subway travel, parks, and federal buildings. There's not much evidence of an open society in Washington, DC, yet most folks do not complain-- anything goes if it's for government-provided safety and security.

After all, proponents argue, the government is doing all this to catch the bad guys. If you don’t have anything to hide, they ask, what are you so afraid of? The answer is that I’m afraid of losing the last vestiges of privacy that a free society should hold dear. I’m afraid of creating a society where the burden is on citizens to prove their innocence, rather than on government to prove wrongdoing. Most of all, I’m afraid of living in a society where a subservient populace surrenders its liberties to an all-powerful government.

It may be true that average Americans do not feel intimidated by the encroachment of the police state. Americans remain tolerant of what they see as mere nuisances because they have been deluded into believing total government supervision is necessary and helpful, and because they still enjoy a high level of material comfort. That tolerance may wane, however, as our standard of living falls due to spiraling debt, endless deficit spending at home and abroad, a declining fiat dollar, inflation, higher interest rates, and failing entitlement programs. At that point attitudes toward omnipotent government may change, but the trend toward authoritarianism will be difficult to reverse.

Those who believe a police state can't happen here are poor students of history. Every government, democratic or not, is capable of tyranny. We must understand this if we hope to remain a free people.
 
step by step it happens, I have been witness to the changes for 60 years
and it has picked up the pace. :(
 
The war on terror is a great vehicle for taking us down this road, the people will demand safety and have demonstrated a willingness to go along with the various measures implemented to date. This war will be of indeterminate length, Big Brother finally has their perpetual conflict and will use it – under the guise of protecting us – to sweep our freedoms away. Defining victory by using the metrics of past engagements doesn’t work with this one.
 
2 quotes illustrate my view of what is wrong with the present mentality regarding security, and the function of laws in our society at present:

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
security deserve neither liberty nor security."
--Benjamin Franklin, 1759

By the way, somewhere I saw that Franklin added "...nor will they get either." I don't know if he really said that or not, but it is an observation that history says is a fact.

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We WANT them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
 
The real challenge is to eliminate the mindset that the government is an entity unto itself rather than an extension of the governed.
 
Another post full of quotes, and slants on the same ole same ole... big brother lines.... QUESTION... with todays current state of affairs in the world.... what would you find acceptable, to deal with the reality of today ?
 
Of course a nation of criminals may be even harder to control.

At least that is my take on the former Soviet Union and what has happened since in Russia.
 
Arc-Lite said:
Another post full of quotes, and slants on the same ole same ole... big brother lines.... QUESTION... with todays current state of affairs in the world.... what would you find acceptable, to deal with the reality of today ?
For starters lets look at the reality of the TSA shall we.

Is there any real evidence that this group of JBT's have made it any safer for the public to fly? If there is I'd like to see it. On the other hand they sure have made it a lot more annoying to fly. And if the letter of the 4th Amendment hasn't been violated then the spirit of it certainly has.

How about the reality of our police becoming more and more militarized as each day passes? Has this trend reduced crime? Has it made our society safer? It certainly has transformed the police from a group of folks looked up to and respected (common attitude in the 50's shared by myself then) into a group that is feared by many and certainly does not rate the same level of respect it used to. Is that the individual policeman's fault. NO! It is the fault of changing attitudes by elected and often not-elected government officials that dictate policy to the police.

The above are just two examples of how government has taken the long view towards a police state. Neither has made us safer though the government claims they do. Both though will and have gotten people used to abuses that when I was young wouldn't have been stood for by your every day average guy.

And just to keep this gun related if you're old enough think back to before the GCA of 68. Long for the days. You'll never ever see them again.

And to answer the question of what I'd find acceptable it would be a return to the days when the BOR actually meant something because it certainly doesn't mean squat today.

The 1st Amendment - the 1st chip in the unassailable granite block of the 1st was made last year by the USSC. Its on it's way out.

The 2nd Amendment is for all practical purposes dead.

The 3rd Amendment - who cares.

The 4th Dead - TSA, Terry Stops, no-knocks, warrants filled in after the fact, etc

The 5th Dead - cities take away your property using imminent domain and then sell it to Walmart, EPA, Protected Species Act etc. The USSC killed the right to not incriminate yourself last year when it upheld "Your papers please" demands by the police.

The 6th Dead - when's the last time anyone got a speedy trial in this country - it can take 2 years for a criminal case to come to trial and 6 months is the norm.

The 7th - Hooray - at least one is still observed

The 8th - prohibition against cruel and unusual punishments has been taken to the extreme, taken a look at the fines TSA can levy and don't even mention excessive bail - please - courts set bail at whatever levels they want and what good would it do to argue about it. By the time a court could judge it you'd have been found innocent or served out your time.

The 9th and 10th - ROFLMAO - these have been ignored for the better part of the last 200 years.

Police State - not there yet - but we will be. The old Soviet Union will be considered a bastion of freedom compared to what the USA will become in the next 50 to 100 years. :mad:

Sorry but in just the 52 years I've been around I've noticed the changes. I don't know about y'all but in the 50's and 60's my parents never locked our house when we went out (except on vacation or something). We never locked our car. As a child I roamed freely about the neighborhood within a 5 mile or so radius without fear. We didn't have metal detectors in our schools, gangs didn't roam the hallways, kids who smoked dope weren't cool, if there were any gays they kept it to theirselves and only one or two girls got pregnant each year (and that wasn't anything they were proud of since they disappeared often never to return). Illegitimate children were not something folks bragged about. Single parenthood was the exception not the rule and 1/2 of all 1st marriages didn't end in divorce. We didn't murder the unborn as an alternative to birth control or say that abortion is just another choice that a free person can make. The same thing can't be said today. Society has gone to hell in a flaming basket. And we certainly aren't any freer for it today than we were back then.

We are a different country. Less free than in bygone days (more free than other countries to be sure) and all in the name of public safety. Its the ole frog in the pot ploy that's being used by the government and its working - and very well.
 
Werewolf

I might add to your posting of what people routinely did in this country when we were free the fact that my uncle (who is only 2 years older than you) walked to high school in the mid-1960's with his rifle over his shoulder and stored it in his locker. No one picked the lock, and no one (not even his buddies on the school shooting team), shot anyone (mainly because they were all afraid that their WW2-vet fathers would kick their @sses all over the place).

Oh, and my uncle lived in New York City (Queens).

I have some dim recollections of freedom, but my kids probably won't. They'll probably think that I am telling tall tales, or that our society was crazy (if, that is, I let the pubic screwl system poison their minds, which I'll do my damnedest to prevent).
 
Arc-lite

Another post full of quotes, and slants on the same ole same ole... big brother lines.... QUESTION... with todays current state of affairs in the world.... what would you find acceptable, to deal with the reality of today ?

I'm with Werewolf - I will only find a restoration of our ability to freely exercise our INALIENABLE RIGHTS acceptable. I'm willing to live with getting that ability back a slice at a time, the same way that it was stolen from us. However, I won't be satisfied until I can go to a local hardware or convenience store and buy a machine gun for a reasonable price from the racks of them on display...and have the only question be "will that be cash or charge, sir?" My grandfathers had the ability to do that prior to the '34 NFA, just as my father could order a gun via mail order (and even 20mm cannon, at that) prior to the '68 GCA (which none of them did, dammit). Now we can't even get a machine gun without a permission slip from our nanny, errr, the local police :cuss: , plus a background check and the payment of a $200 tax :cuss: , plus, of course, the fact that guns which sold new for under $1,000 20 years ago are now selling for 5-10 times as much in used condition.
 
There are fewer and fewer of us older people who remember what it was like to be a citizen of the United States and enjoyed the freedoms that such citizenship guarrented to us.
The Bill of Rights was once honored and protected. Now it seems that there is a constant search for ways to circumvent them. (for the good of the people you know)

We did not have to seek permission to buy, own, transport or use guns, we could order them mail order and the post office would deliver them to your door. They were not a controled item and did not need to be. If you missused them You were put away and you didn't plea bargin your way out. You were a crook and were treated as such.
Society has changed and not for the good in my opinion. Don't get me wrong there were many evils back then but there are many more today and all of the laws that have been made have not stopped those deterrmined to proceed with their activities. They just make living life more inconvient for the law abiding citizens.
By the way if you were mugging a person and got shot that was the end of it. Anyone commiting a crime was a criminal, not a misguided youth who wanted some sending money for drugs or whatever.
It wasn't against the law to use corpral punishment when a kid needed it either. ( I don't mean beating a kid half to death for not eating his peas at supper time.)

Times have changed and not neccesarly for the good. But you know the Government must control the people. You know those in government positions half a country away know more about your needs than you do.
And if you speak out you are labeled a cantancerous old man who doesn't know what he's talking about and needs to be watched. Or a trouble maker who needs to be watched.
Vern
 
Great analysis. Well written and researched. Consistent with previously established beliefs.

Now what?

What do you do to reverse it? What are the battlefields? Who are the commanders? Where do you sign up recruits?

Analysis without action is like peeing yourself while wearing a dark suit. Gives a nice warm feeling but no one notices.
 
Here's my input, a little shorter and less eloquoent than others FWIW:

Because some don't/won't take care of thier own needs, we pay higher and higher taxes so our government can create more and more departments to take care of us in every facet of our life. We turn over more and more responsibility every day. And most who welcome this are blind to the fact that they have also relinquished the freedom that the reponsibility was tied to.

Orwell wasn't too far off IMO, we didn't get there in 1984, but we will get there in the not too distant future I'm thinking. :(
 
Werewolf - well said

Am I the only one that thinks a BIG part of this problem started with Dr. Spock (no NOT Mr. Spock) ? The child psychologist who sold a gazillion copies of a 'child raising' book in the 50's that basically said - no corporal punishment, just reson with them and out think them.
Yeah, right, ever try to reason with a 3 yr. old or out think
a 7 yr old - ain't possible.
Consequently we now are starting on the 3rd generation of
people for which there are no undesirable consequences for
wrong doing while growing up.
They have little or no concept of right and wrong, or punishment.
Absolutely no concept of personal responsibility and look for
someone, anyone, to blame for their misfortunes or bad
decisions and to 'take care' of their every need without cost
or obligation.
Hope I'm wrong but ..........
Have NO IDEA how to turn this around.
If one wants the gov't (or some entity) to take care of one from cradle to grave, one shouldn't be surprised or upset if
that entity also controls every part of one's life that is
'taken care of'.
 
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