Iver Johnson Model 50 - SideWinder .22 Revolver Problem

[Gun Master]

I recently bought the above I J Model 50. The cylinder rotates well in DA & SA, and locks in place, but "sometimes" the trigger doesn't rebound. When this happens, I easily flick it forward with a shooting hand finger. I would prefer the trigger to "always" rebound.

On checking the Numrich Gun Parts diagram, I don't know if I need the lifter &/or lever &/or lever spring. Could some of y'all help me fix the problem?


Thanks!

 

[N.Schafer]

Sounds like a weak trigger spring. Number 33 on the diagram.

 

[Jim K]

A weak trigger spring is one possibility. Another is that the internals on those guns are often very rough and careful stoning will be needed to get things working. The trouble is that unless one is familiar with the gun, working on them can lead to trouble and a lot of gunsmiths won't touch them.

Jim

 

[Gun Master]

I bought the model 50 without an ejector assembly. The dealer was honest and sold as is.
What the hey, Numrich Gun Parts had a schematic with the necessary parts.
Well, I got both, and they don't fit. The ejector assembly was all in parts, and not assembled.

Can any of you guys help ?

 

[Gun Master]

I bought the model 50 without an ejector assembly. The dealer was honest and sold as is.
What the hey, Numrich Gun Parts had a schematic with the necessary parts.
Well, I got both, and they don't fit. The ejector assembly was all in parts, and not assembled.

Can any of you guys help ?

Bump.

Guess I'll have to go to el gunsmith .

 

[dodgethejeep]

I was trying to fix an iver Johnson last year. Timing issue as the ratchet was all chewed up. Seems those old pistols were hand fitted at the factory so just buying a part won't always work. Good luck.

 

[Gun Master]

Please see posting #4, re: ejector assembly
Where do the ejector rod centering washer and bushing go ?
All the combinations I've come up with don't work.

Some help, please.
Un poco de ayuda, por favor.

 

[dodgethejeep]

Hope this helps.

 

[Gun Master]

View attachment 227147 Hope this helps.

Thanks for the diagram. Is this for the Iver Johnson Model 50 Sidewinder .22 ? Do you have a labeled list of names & numbers of the parts available ?
Could you tell me the names of parts # 9, 11, and 13 ?
Thanks.

 

[dodgethejeep]

That came from numrich. I just did a quick google for ij sidewinder model 50. After looking at some images of one I compared the schematics and that's the closest I clout find that was ledgable. all the parts you asked about were listed under

• Ejector Assembly, Complete (6" Barrel; Incl Screws & Bushing)

Love to help ya more but I'm two states over and it's a bit cold for a bike trip.

 

[Gun Master]

Thanks, but Schlater Shots had more parts than Numrich, which was sold out of the complete slide assembly.
Go figure.
I needed more directions than parts.

Come on over when the weather warms up !

 

[dodgethejeep]

I haven't heard of that place gonna have to go look. There is a book by William Goforth. About ij firearms. Sadly he has passed. There is also a group on Facebook that seems to have a lot of knowledge about them.

 

[Gun Master]

I haven't heard of that place gonna have to go look. There is a book by William Goforth. About ij firearms. Sadly he has passed. There is also a group on Facebook that seems to have a lot of knowledge about them.

Thanks. I'd forgotten about William Goforth.
I'll check online to see if any of his books are in print or look for used ones.
Merry Christmas !!!!!

 

[Coyote3855]

I was trying to fix an iver Johnson last year. Timing issue as the ratchet was all chewed up. Seems those old pistols were hand fitted at the factory so just buying a part won't always work. Good luck.

My first handgun was an Iver Johnson Trailsman 66, circa 1960. I doubt it was hand fitted at the factory because it went back to them twice and still would not index correctly. I am still bitter about that revolver, 57 years later. I should probably get over it. But I'll never own another one regardless of who's using the name these days.

 

[dodgethejeep]

Mine was a 1930's supershot. Picked it up for a cheap plinker. Still has some issues but pretty cool for a pistol twice my age.

 

[Gun Master]

Well, I finally got the ejector assembly assembled and attached, only with the help and direction of The Good Lord !
This was after getting parts from two sources without directions, two incomplete assembly diagrams with instructions that were incomplete and misleading . I took what I had. Worked hard. Had parts left over. Wow ! What a relief !

Iver Johnson and H&R often seemed to try to duplicate each other's models.
I had a similar H&R Model 686 and wanted to compare.
Just looking at each and working the actions, it is obvious the H&R is MUCH better, in this case.
But I'm glad I have both and will enjoy shooting each .

 

[dodgethejeep]

I have a 1930's supershot and a late 1800's H&r. The ij has the crossbar as where the H&r is pin on hammer. I get better primer hits with the simpler system. The ij looks much better and is a fun pistol. The H&r is a project. Gotta re crown and refinish to have anything other then a tackle box gun. Pretty rough. Only other option is a new barrel but I already did that and have too much cylinder gap. (Maybe the wrong model barrel). It is fun being able to bring these old pistols back to usable condition. I ain't no gunsmith but then neither are half the armorers I find at most gun shops.

 

[BBBBill]

Only other option is a new barrel but I already did that and have too much cylinder gap.

That is corrected by turning the barrel shoulder back the equivalent of one full thread (assuming that the barrel comes up tight with the front sight vertical). Then you fit the barrel/cylinder gap and recut the forcing cone. That's the Cliff's Notes version. There's a bit more to it than that.

 

[dodgethejeep]

That is corrected by turning the barrel shoulder back the equivalent of one full thread (assuming that the barrel comes up tight with the front sight vertical). Then you fit the barrel/cylinder gap and recut the forcing cone. That's the Cliff's Notes version. There's a bit more to it than that.

I didn't get all of that. I will continue to research. I have one barrel where they cylinder fits and locks up like it should. But some idiot cut it in half. The replacement barrel I bought has way to much gap. I was thinking of repinning the tube the cylinder rides on.