Justice Dept.: Few licensed gun dealers checked

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Fewer that 5 percent are inspected, well below agency's goals

Updated: 5:33 p.m. ET July 19, 2004WASHINGTON - Only about 4.5 percent of the nation’s federally licensed gun dealers are checked each year to ensure they comply with firearms laws, far below the goals set by the agency that does the exams, the Justice Department said Monday.

At that rate, it would take the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives 22 years to inspect all 104,000 federally licensed gun dealers, said a review by Glenn A. Fine, the Justice Department inspector general. ATF’s goal is to check each dealer once every three years.

ATF Director Carl Truscott said the agency’s 420 inspectors could never keep pace with that many gun dealers. Because of limited resources, he said, ATF focuses on dealers with a history of violations and on a program of random inspections.

Calling the Justice Department review “constructive criticism,†Truscott said in a written response that ATF is “committed to continuing to improve its inspection procedures.â€

The ATF review is the first since the bureau moved in 2003 from the Treasury Department to the Justice Department as part of the government reorganization that created the Homeland Security Department.

Gun dealers are supposed to be able to account for all firearms they have bought and sold and to report to the government all sales of multiple weapons as well as all thefts of firearms. The inspections are intended to ensure dealers comply with these and other rules.

ATF also checks the applications of nearly 8,000 new firearms businesses each year. The Justice Department review found ATF often relies solely on a telephone call to do that, rather than a more thorough face-to-face meeting.

Federal licenses rarely revoked
The review also found ATF rarely revokes federal firearms licenses — only 54 such revocations occurred in 2002 out of some 1,800 inspections — and it often takes more than a year for the agency to successfully take away a dealer’s license.

“A consistent and timely inspection process is essential to identify and respond to any dealers who are violating the law and also to reduce the availability of illegal firearms to criminals,†Fine said. “Our review found significant areas in the ATF’s inspection program that need improvement.â€

The review made nine recommendations for changes in the inspection process, development of a tracking system for license revocations and improved use of gun tracing capabilities.

ATF has accepted most of the recommendations and is already implementing several changes, detailed in a June memo from Truscott to the agency’s field offices. Among other things, the memo detailed ways inspectors can detect if dealers are conducting illegal weapons trafficking.
 
ATF Inspects Few Licensed Gun Dealers

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WASHINGTON July 19, 2004 — Only about 4.5 percent of the nation's federally licensed gun dealers are checked each year to ensure they comply with firearms laws, far below the goals set by the agency that does the exams, the Justice Department said Monday.

At that rate, it would take the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives 22 years to inspect all 104,000 federally licensed gun dealers, said a review by Glenn A. Fine, the Justice Department inspector general. ATF's goal is to check each dealer once every three years.

ATF Director Carl Truscott said the agency's 420 inspectors could never keep pace with that many gun dealers. Because of limited resources, he said, ATF focuses on dealers with a history of violations and on a program of random inspections.

Calling the Justice Department review "constructive criticism," Truscott said in a written response that ATF is "committed to continuing to improve its inspection procedures."

The ATF review is the first since the bureau moved in 2003 from the Treasury Department to the Justice Department as part of the government reorganization that created the Homeland Security Department.

Gun dealers are supposed to be able to account for all firearms they have bought and sold and to report to the government all sales of multiple weapons as well as all thefts of firearms. The inspections are intended to ensure dealers comply with these and other rules.

ATF also checks the applications of nearly 8,000 new firearms businesses each year. The Justice Department review found ATF often relies solely on a telephone call to do that, rather than a more thorough face-to-face meeting.

The review also found ATF rarely revokes federal firearms licenses only 54 such revocations occurred in 2002 out of some 1,800 inspections and it often takes more than a year for the agency to successfully take away a dealer's license.

"A consistent and timely inspection process is essential to identify and respond to any dealers who are violating the law and also to reduce the availability of illegal firearms to criminals," Fine said. "Our review found significant areas in the ATF's inspection program that need improvement."

The review made nine recommendations for changes in the inspection process, development of a tracking system for license revocations and improved use of gun tracing capabilities.

ATF has accepted most of the recommendations and is already implementing several changes, detailed in a June memo from Truscott to the agency's field offices. Among other things, the memo detailed ways inspectors can detect if dealers are conducting illegal weapons trafficking.
 
There may be some truth to this. After all the ATF only has so many agents and so much funding. Not only you have the 1,000s and 1,000s of bonifid gun dealers out there, you also have people who have FFL for legal reasons or to make it easyer for them to collect guns. Add the C&R holders to this...

-Bill
 
Food inspecters don't check every package of food... There are way more gun dealers then ATF agents, and that's not counting people who have C&R permits.

-Bill
 
Actually the Special Agents (GS-1811 job series) of the ATF don't do the inspections, and other FFL admin duties, they have Inspectors (sorry can't remember the job series) and other support positions that handle the licensing issues. The SAs only do criminal investigations.
 
Waaaiiittttt a Second

I thought we were THIS FAR away from an influx of BATmen and other assorted JBT minions of Satan herding us into reprogramming camps. This is just part of a disinformation campaign, right?

54 revocations out of 1,800 cases? That's a lower percentage than fails the high school competency test in my state.
 
sendec,

What you seem to realize (judging by the tone of your post), and the tinfoil.gif crowd doesn't, is that the ATF is too small an agency to be chasing down people for poor penmanship on a Form 4473, the Special Agents only have time for serious offenders, and the Inpsectors are too undermanned to adequately do their jobs as this article illustrates.

Unfortunately the ATF is a convenient scapegoat for the pro and anti gun lobbies. Lobbyists can't villify the Senators and Representatives, because then they wouldn't get access and would be out of jobs, and besides Congressmen aren't scary enough to get people to open their wallets, but BS stories about ATF agents kicking in the door at 3AM, shooting the cat, raping the dog, and trashing the house over leaving off the middle initial on a 4473, are perfect for getting people to open their wallets.
 
Only problem is that not allof those "stories" are BS... And if only one was true that's still one too many. Kinda like the horror stories about the IRS or anty other .gov agency.
 
What caught my eye was:

The review also found ATF rarely revokes federal firearms licenses only 54 such revocations occurred in 2002 out of some 1,800 inspections and it often takes more than a year for the agency to successfully take away a dealer's license.

What if only 54 were breaking the law? The author of the article seems to be assuming that more must be breaking the law and are getting away with it, but has no baisis to prove it.

Out.
 
ATF's failure to meet a meaningless statistical goal says nothing about the quality of the agency. What's the point here? Surely the violence policy center, as well as our local "Friends of ATF" board members, would use this to justify a 10X increase in funding? Or...advocates of ATF take pride in the fact that agency can't even get mundane paperwork issues squared away? What is this, bizarro world?

Here's the bizarro solution I hope we don't see: Reduce the number of ffl holders, by imposing draconian licensing requirments designed to drive people out of business....wait! Isn't that what took place in the Klinton regime? If the number of ffl holders were reduced another 90%, surely ATF inspectors could inspect all licencees in a timely fashion. Josh Sugarmann would approve.

Some forum members have personal contacts within ATF, apparently.

Perhaps they could provide updates on this story, showing wise use of ATF resources...no updates are forthcoming, and, curiously, I couldn't find the story on ATF's "greatest hits (hehe) website:
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SAN LEANDRO
Owner scoffs at idea junkyard is a threat
$1 million damage caused during raid by agents, he says

Jim Herron Zamora, Matthew B. Stannard, Chronicle Staff Writers
Sunday, April 18, 2004
San Francisco Chronicle

The owner of a San Leandro warehouse complex searched by federal agents seeking rocket launchers scoffed Saturday at the notion that he has any links to terrorism or illegal military weapons.

"This is ridiculous -- I'm a junkyard owner, not a terrorist,'' said Harold Chapman, 75, owner of a 25-acre former Kellogg's corn flakes plant that has been converted into warehouse space. "I'm about as much threat to national security as a tired old dog.''

Federal investigators said Friday, as they searched the building, that they had no information linking the search to terrorism. The federal search warrant used to conduct the raid was sealed, but the U.S. magistrate who signed the warrant told The Chronicle the search was for "rockets that could be launched from military vehicles and (for) some M-16s."

Marti McKee, spokeswoman for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said Saturday that she could not elaborate on the magistrate's comment but confirmed that her agency's agents were looking for "military weapons and explosives" and that none were found.

McKee had said the raid was the culmination of a six-month investigation.

"The investigation is ongoing, and the investigating agencies -- ATF, FBI, and the Alameda County Narcotics Task Force -- will continue the investigation," she said. "What has been concluded is the search of that premise."

Chapman said several hundred searchers caused some $1 million damage to his warehouse complex at 2040 Williams St., located in an industrial area between the San Leandro BART station and Oakland International Airport.

All they took with them was a few documents, he said, and a couple of miscellaneous machine parts.

On Saturday morning, Chapman showed a reporter dozens of doors to warehouses, truck-trailers and the camper he lives in that were crashed open by investigators, using explosives, firearms or brute force.

"I'm mad because I offered them the keys to every door here, and they just wanted to be cowboys and crash their way in," said Chapman, who lives in a trailer at the rear of the site. "We offered to help them, and they just decided to do it their way. They're complete morons. They trashed the place for no reason.''


McKee and FBI spokesman Anthony Montero said the number of agents was necessitated by the size of the facility -- upwards of 100,000 square feet - - and the quantity of potentially dangerous material inside.

Montero said the search was "methodical," and denied that shotguns or explosives were used to open doors -- a technique he said would be unwise in any case given the nature of what investigators were seeking.

"If anything, I would say this was heightened procedure. I think people were being twice as careful," he said. "The idea that anyone was careless or reckless, I believe the facts will show the opposite: that people were being triple careful."

No one was arrested in the search, but Chapman and several of his contractors there were "detained against our will" all day, he said.

Chapman and his associate, Gary Robb, said investigators told him they were looking for rocket launchers and even showed the men photos of what they were seeking.

"I told them we've never seen anything like that here,'' said Robb, an independent contractor who works with Chapman and was helping him assess the damage on Saturday. "They showed us pictures of rocket launchers with metal tubes. ... We offered to show them every tube of metal here to prove we have nothing like that. ''

"It was a big waste of their time,'' said Robb, who was detained most of Friday. "Now we're stuck picking up the pieces.''

Chapman runs a Web site -- www.lottastuff.com -- that specializes in re- selling junk, everything from heavy equipment to construction supplies. The site's slogan is: "You never know what you'll find!"

Chapman said he purchased most of his stuff from federal auctions of surplus machinery and supplies. Many of his items come from auctions of old machinery and equipment from the now-closed Alameda Naval Air Station, Oakland Naval Supply Center and other defunct military sites in Northern California.

"My biggest suppliers are the military and the Energy Department,'' Chapman said. "Some of the stuff they sold me is in sealed boxes that we still haven't had time to open. ... So if there's anything illegal in here, it's their own damn fault. They are their own bad guy here.''

He said he has never been able to learn the purpose of some of the odd pieces of custom-made machinery he has bought at federal auctions. His Web site even includes a photo with the caption: "Do you know what this is? We can't figure it out. Is it a secret energy weapon? Or a lawn ornament? Drop us an e-mail and let us know."

Chapman said that San Leandro police and Alameda County sheriff's deputies have used his complex to conduct training exercises.

"Their SWAT teams have been here several times to train,'' Chapman said. "They also come here to train their police dogs in doing searches.''

Chapman said that dogs trained to sniff explosives combed his entire property Friday.

Chapman said they believe that the investigation was initiated by a false tip from a man who had a personal beef with him. "He was jealous because we were both seeing the same woman,'' he said. "That's the only person I can think of who would do a thing like this."

Chapman said that his only previous legal trouble was several federal lawsuits he filed against the Environmental Protection Agency, to challenge rulings that he was illegally storing toxic waste on his site.

"I have lots of barrels of old paint and thinner and things like that here,'' Chapman said. "The issue was if I was storing it properly.''

"It's kind of a big jump from paint thinner to terrorism,'' Chapman said. "I guess the feds had to check out the tip in case it was real. But they could have been a lot more diplomatic about this. ... And if they don't pay for all the work I have to do to fix the mess they made, I'm damn well going to sue them for every penny.''
 
Oh, while you're asking, please inquire as to how much valuable ATF resources were spent on the David Hudak trial, in Roswell New Mexico last year? The man was held without bail for a year pending trial. Ultimately found innocent. People, do a google search on this one.

I recall the initial ATF press release stating that Hudak possessed "$54 million worth of tactical missiles", which turned out to be factory reject warheads, he bought for $1 each (with appropriate paperwork), and used for breaking rocks on his industrial site. Truth in media?

I missed reading about this story on ATF's "greatest hits" website, also...puzzling.
 
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