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Looking for first Pistol

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greenscape

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I've had my Permit in Ct. now for several months and have yet to buy firearm. Probably gonna get a 9mm auto. My previous research had me looking at either a CZ75 or the P-01. Not sure there are a lot of differences but I know that a lot of members here have a lot of good to say about both of these. The other option in that price range I liked the feel of is the S&W M+P in 9mm. A local store here is running a week long sale and they have a lot to choose from. They have a Beretta 92F in 9MM for $449 with 3 15 rd mags. It looks like the barrel on the 92 is longer than the CZ and the 92 also has Manual Safety and a Decocker as the P01 ..

Should the Beretta be on my list ? Or would the Barrel length be a major hinderance if I wanted to carry it ?
 
Beretta 92 is rather large to conceal...

I personally think the Beretta 92 is too big for concealed carry, but I know some folks claim they do. The compact CZ models you mentioned would be good choices, of course.
 
Maybe the 92 is, but not..

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A Beretta Px4 9mm, or 40cal, same gun.. narrow gun, mid-full length in size.

You will know the right gun, when in hand, and with the feel and balance of point to aim..


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I would highly recommend the M&P series.

I've got three, and all of them are highly reliable. I also own Glocks and Sigs and 1911s, but the M&Ps are my favorites.

They are a great value.

But the other pistols that you're looking at are solid models as well.

Good luck.
 
You are kidding right ??

How did I obtain a permit without a Firearm ? Thats funny.. You know a lot about gun laws ?
 
Dude, I'm pretty sure California puts the gun/guns you select on your permit. Things vary from state to state.
 
Thats fine

I stated in my post I was from CT. I knew there were states that you could purchase a firearm without a permit but they were few and far between.
 
States that you can purchase a gun without a permit are few and far between? Like where?
 
So...you are shopping at Hoffmans this week also? dont forget the $10 off coupon...;)

If you want a great 9mm I also suggest the PX4 Storm. Awesome gun.

For CCW I also very much like the Glock 26

Having owned or shot all the guns you mention I would go for the PX4 before the 92. changing grips is a big plus and the thing has no recoil.

If I recall, hoffmans does not have a huge Beretta selection. You also may REALLY want to wait a little while as the PX4 subcompact is due out any day.


anyhow, test a bunch and good luck!
 
Hoffman's will be busy this week...at least until Cabelas opens next week ;) Nothing against Hoffman's, but they aren't the friendliest bunch. Plus competition may bring the prices down some. The 92 is a fine pistol, but for carry you are probably better off with the 26 or M&P compact. I personally carry a 1911 micro or commander. Might see you this weekend, I need some 22 ammo and maybe a O/U shotty :D
 
There are plenty of states where one can purchase a firearm with out a permit of any kind. Carrying is another thing entirely.

Now, back to the topic: The Beretta 92 is an excellent pistol (and despite what the armchair and gun store commandos and mall ninjas will tell you about the slide failures) very reliable and very accurate. $449 for a new 92FS with 3 mags is a very good deal, not the best I have ever seen, but very good. I have and still sometimes carry a 92FS concealed. In order to do so, you need a good IWB holster though. If you are looking for a carry gun specifically, something smaller is probably in order. For an all around gun you may carry some, the 92FS is a great choice.
 
yup. I wont miss Hoffmans as soon as something better somes along!

good selection, fair prices, but dismal service. I actually pretty much stopped buying from them even if it costs me a little more.

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It seems to depend

on who is waiting on you there. I have been in that store on occasion for 15 minutes and nobody even asks you if you need help. And there was an occasion that I got a salesman that was very helpful. I think that selling guns is a business that really demands top notch customer service while in the store. Its pretty important when you are purchasing a firearm to have a sales person that is knowledgeable and helpful. Especially for a first or second time buyer. Not everyone is into Firearms as a hobby and its important to understand that not everyone knows every characteristic about every gun..
 
i love my glock 26 for ccw and pretty much all purposes,i shoot it quite well,,,

will i recomend it to you?????

not until you shoot it and all the other 9mms in its class and decide you like and hit with it best.sooo;

try the hd compact 9mm,a g26 ,a s&w m&p compact 9mm,beretta px4 storm compact 9mm.look for guns in the size class and caliber you wish to aquire.

then when you rent them ask the clerk how well the store rental holds up to all the rounds put thru it.this guages durability.

buy the one that meets your criteria and shoot it as much as possible to build proficiency.if you have the funds for training get it.

good hunting.
 
Greenscape, in my view the most important things about carrying a concealed weapon is to have one that you are willing to CARRY ALL THE TIME, and one with which you can HIT WHAT YOU AIM AT. That may or may not be what "everybody" recommends, whether at the gun stores, in the magazines or on these forums.

You take an enormous risk of getting the wrong gun if you pick one without shooting it (or one similar to it) first. And that either gets expensive as you trade one in on another looking for the right one, or you end up with an unsatisfactory (to you) gun that you just never carry. If you don't have some friends with some different guns they will let you try, then look for a shooting range that rents guns, and try as many different candidates as you can get your hands on. See what feels good in your hands, AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN HIT WITH. They may not be the same gun.

Keep in mind when you're looking that you want something concealable. (While I agree that a Beretta 92 is a terrific weapon, most people have a pretty hard time concealing one under most clothing.) How are you going to carry it? (Shoulder holster? Belt holster outside the waistband - strong side or cross draw? Inside the waistband? Ankle?) Can you get the kind of holster you want for the gun you're looking at? Not all guns are suitable for all types of carry, and not all guns have all types of holsters available for them (or at least not at affordable prices - you can probably find somebody who will make you any kind of holster for any gun, but it wouldn't be cheap.) What kind of clothing are you going to be wearing? Business suit or Hawaiian shirt? If a suit, what happens when circumstances make you take the jacket off (temperature, business or social setting, etc.)? These kinds of considerations will affect how big a gun you will be able to conceal readily, and what kind of holster you may need to work properly with your cover garment(s).

If you don't have a lot of other guns to practice with, it will be absolutely vital that you be able to shoot what you carry - and shoot it enough to become and remain proficient with it. That means a LOT of shooting. My hand and wrist will not take the recoil of a 40 or 45 any longer, so no matter how highly-recommended those calibers may be, I simply cannot become and remain proficient with one. So they were not on my list of candidates when I chose a gun to carry. Similarly, some of the tiny, lightweight "concealment" guns make wonderful packages to carry, but can you shoot 100 rounds at a session without your hand going numb? If not, how are you going to get good with one? That's why you have to try a lot of different candidates to see what you can conceal and what you can shoot.

If you do have other guns to practice with, it would be possible to obtain and maintain some proficiency with one and carry another, although it would be highly desirable that they be of the same action type and preferably closely related (carry a compact Glock 26, for example, but practice with the larger model 17 or 19 - sights, grip angle and trigger action will all translate directly from the larger to the smaller.) Remember that if you ever do need to deploy your concealed weapon the need will be desperate, pressure will be intense, time probably will be short, and you'll probably be full of adrenaline to the point where you will not think too clearly and will more or less just have to react. That's not the time to pull out a small hard-kicking automatic with tiny sights when you've been practicing with light loads in a large revolver with target sights (to pick the worst possible example.)

Be prepared to buy several concealment holsters before you find the one that works best for you. You might get lucky and pick the right one first, but if you do you'll be in a tiny minority. I've spent almost as much on holsters as I did on the gun (which wasn't all that expensive, I admit,) although now I do have several holsters that can be used under different circumstances, so it wasn't a total loss.

Personally, I carry a Makarov, which I find easier to conceal than any of the more "standard" size 9mm Luger guns (Glock, S&W M&P, Springfield XD) and comfortable enough to shoot that I can get VERY good with it, and stay good. That's something I couldn't do with the KelTec P-11 that I had for a while, and don't think I could do with a friend's Kahr that I borrowed once, and almost certainly wouldn't be able to do with the tiny, narrow, single stack 9mms like the new Walther PPS or KelTec P9. The Makarov is not as powerful as a "real" 9mm, but it is dead-nuts reliable and I am VERY certain of hitting what I shoot at. I'll take that combination over pure power any day.

Your mileage will vary, of course, which is why you have to do your own research and experimenting. But if you do it, your are MUCH more likely to end up with a gun and holster that let you carry comfortably and are comfortable carrying.
 
I actually pretty much stopped buying from them even if it costs me a little more.

+1 If there is something I want to look at I'll go in and handle it there then have a local guy order it. You might head down to Wolf Range to try out what they have in rentals. Last time I was there ('05) it was not too expensive to rent a pistol, ammo and targets. I'll bet they have a 9mm Glock and maybe the 92 to rent. Like wrangler5 says, shoot it before you buy it if you can.
 
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