(MN) New signs don't say 'No Guns', just 'Not Welcome'

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The Associated Press State & Local Wire

June 7, 2003, Saturday, BC cycle

SECTION: State and Regional

LENGTH: 335 words

HEADLINE: 'Guns not welcome' signs to go up in Duluth

DATELINE: DULUTH, Minn.

BODY:
Signs saying "Guns not welcome here" will be posted all over Duluth in response to the state's new conceal-and-carry law.

Mayor Gary Doty approved the creation of the signs for all city buildings and recreation sites. The placards will be signed by the mayor.

"I wanted to make a statement," Doty said.

Duluth was one of several cities considering antigun signs to discourage people from bringing guns on city property. Other cities considering the signs include Mankato, Mendota Heights and Minnetonka.

The new law makes it much easier to obtain a concealed-weapon permit, and prevents most local governments from banning weapons on their property.

Duluth's signs "don't say you can't bring them. It just says they are not welcome," said Doty.

They also venture into unknown legal ground, said Bryan Brown, a city attorney.

The law says a city can't ban weapons, but the law is silent on whether communities can state a preference, Brown said. "The question is, what does the silence mean?"

The state attorney general's office wouldn't comment on the legal ramifications of Duluth's signs.

An author of the new concealed-carry legislation also wasn't sure about the legality of Duluth's signs.

"We'll have to see how this all plays out," said Sen. Pat Pariseau, R-Farmington. "But I don't know why Duluth would want to create a safe zone for criminals."

Duluth Police Chief Roger Waller said he agrees with the mayor's stand.

"Although the state law does not address city buildings, the mayor strongly believes - and I support that belief as police chief - that guns should not be in city buildings," Waller said.

No city in Minnesota has challenged the new concealed-carry law, but plenty are considering options to keep guns out of public buildings.

"This is a hot subject in council chambers," said Stephanie Lake of the League of Minnesota Cities in St. Paul. "Whether any city decides to do something remains to be seen. But we have been receiving quite a few calls."
 
''Hot subject'' ...... I'll bet!!!

Well .. a ''not welcome'' sign does not strike me as a mandatory ban. Unless lots of metal detectors are gonna be used then as i see it ... good .... and real, ''concealed'' will cause little stir ..... that's what CCW is all about .. n'est pas??:)
 
So return the favor. Put signs in every yard that will allow it saying mayor Gary Doty isn't welcome under any circumstances.
 
Fine, if any guns come walking in and see the sign, I'm sure that they will just whimper a little and walk (or however it is that guns get around all by themselves) away.

Of course, this assume that all guns can read (English). Probably okay with S&W, Ruger, and Colt, but I doubt a Makarov can read English. A Glock might go either way. Jennings or Lorcin probably can't read nothin'.

Or they could change the sign to "Gun Owners Not Welcome" which is an entirely different thing, along the lines of "Smokers Not Welcome" and "Queers Not Welcome" etc ....
 
A long time ago I saw a postcard that you could send to a business that pissed you off. It started out "You have just lost my business..." and then gave some room for the reason why.

I think someone in MN should print up a bunch of postcards like this, explaining that the they have lost your business because of thier sign.
 
P95, that's the idea. He can't legally bar people from carrying the guns into the buildings. He knows that, so he puts "not welcome" on the signs to get around it.

He knows the signs are useless and without authority, but it ain't his money!
 
Yes, it is not his money, and Duluth was one of the cities screaming the loudest about needing more state aid. Duluth is in a budget crunch, just like the the whole state, and he can waste money on the useless signs like this. But then turn around and spread doom and gloom about what is going to happen to his city if the state doesn't raise taxes and give him a share of it for his city.

Now I know why Duluth is running in the red with their budget. :rolleyes:
 
<<<<I think someone in MN should print up a bunch of postcards like this, explaining that the they have lost your business because of thier sign.>>>>

Here you go:
http://www.mnccrn.org/alerts/no-guns.pdf (Adobe Acrobat is required)

http://www.mnccrn.org/alerts/no-guns.doc (Microsoft Word format)

I haven't printed them off yet, but I plan to get 500 or so professionally printed and hand them out to friends and "offending" businesses. I was going to modify them to just say "No guns, no money." in black and white.
 
"Although the state law does not address city buildings, the mayor strongly believes - and I support that belief as police chief - that guns should not be in city buildings," Waller said.
All except for yours, right chief?

:barf:

- Gabe
 
Just when I thought I couldn’t get any more embarrassed to be living amongst these twits....
 
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