Fburg said:
Twitchalot,
Since you asked, I will comment one more time. Are you telling me that the only place that Constitutional rights have any place is on public property??? So my CHL should only be valid if I'm in a park???
"Rights" have place on private property should the owner allow it. If I own a business and I want people CCWing (and some
do), that's fine. The real question is, do you have a right to be on someone else's property without permission?
I say no, you say yes. And yet, you will probably insist I don't have a right to be in your home without your permission. But when it comes to businesses, it's okay? Come on. If you don't have a right to be on my private property to begin with, what makes you think you have the right to do what you want on my private property?
What if I'm on a privately owned toll-road??? Do the owners of said toll-road get to tell me what I can have in my car????
No. But they should be able to decide whether you can use their road or not. If they say you cannot use their road if you have firearms in the car, you do not have permission to use their road, and you would be trespassing if you were caught.
You probably won't be caught in such a situation of course, unless you agreed to let them search your vehicle, but again, is it okay for me to bust into your house if I think I won't get caught? Should I be able to park on your driveway without your permission?
You DO have freedom of speech at work. If I say "I support Hillary Clinton, etc." at work during a conversation, I cannot be fired for that. I CAN be fired if I jump up on my desk and scream "I support Hillary Clinton" and disrupt work in the process. By the same token, having a gun on my person at work might cause a disruption. I don't feel it causes a disruption if it is locked in a vehicle out in a parking lot.
I'm not concerned with how things are. I'm concerned with how things should be.
Do employers get to tell me I can't have a hammer in my car?? A knife??? Dirty underwear??? Do they get to deny me habeas corpus?? Do I have to practice Judaism on their property?? Can they force me into slavery???
No. But they should get to stipulate whether you can park on their private lots or not. If you have guns in your car and your employer says you can't park on their lot if you have guns in your car, park somewhere else. If you choose to park on their lot anyway, you are trespassing. You may not get caught (especially if you don't give them permission to search your vehicle), but I've already gone down that road. If you go to a range and they say guns have to be unloaded when you bring them in (and must be loaded at the bench), you can either not go to that range, or you can abide by their rules. The government shouldn't have any say in the matter.
Just because I own the real estate you're standing on does not mean I get to declare myself emperor/king/supreme ruler of said property and the rule-maker for all that goes on there!!! If this were the case, OSHA wouldn't be able to enforce regulations on privately owned businesses.
Actually, it should. There shouldn't be any regulations on privately owned businesses or any private property, for that matter. If I want to sell hamburgers for 100 dollars, I should be able to. I'll probably go out of business if I do that, but that's my choice. If I don't want to hire you, I shouldn't be forced to. You don't have a right to my money and neither does the government. I shouldn't be forced to give you a job (a job that costs me money) and more than the government should be able to tell you what you spend your money on.
If I want to eat pizza in my home every day, I should be able to. The government shouldn't be able to tell me what I do with my body on my private property. If I want to get drunk in my home, the government shouldn't be able to tell me that I have to keep it within a certain limit. If I don't want to sell my home, the government shouldn't be able to take it from me. It's my house, and it's my business, not yours, and not the governments. It's my private property, and I should be able to do whatever the hell I want with it so long as I don't harm others and prevent them from doing the same.
If I don't want you in my home, you shouldn't have the right to just step in and do whatever the hell you want. My house, my rules. If you don't like them, leave. The same principles apply to, well, private property. How that private property is being used should not be a criteria for whether it should be regulated or not. If my private property is being used to manufacture cartridges, the government shouldn't have any more regulatory authority over me than if I were using my private property as a living space. The concept of government control over private property, based on how it is used, is so dangerous it's not even funny.
We complain about the slippery slope of gun control, and yet, when it comes to private property (and not just any private property mind you- private property being used in a manner you don't like), we are silent. It's just depressing.
By doing business, you open yourself to a different set of rules!
Why? It's still private property. If you'd like to argue that the government has a right to control private property if it's being used for certain purposes ("serving the public," ostensibly), we can go down that road.
Suppose I have a few extra rooms in my home, and I want to rent them out to people (kind of like a business- a motel almost). I'll cook you food, I'll give you a place to stay, I'll let you use my internet, I'll let you watch TV, whenever you want. My conditions are that you pay me $500 a month, can't bring pets, don't make too much noise, and don't make the house too messy. If you break anything, you pay for it. Should the government be able to tell me what to do?
Should they be able to force me to have to take a proportional number of people based on race or sex? Has to be 50:50 men/women or 25:25:25:25 black/white/Asian/Hispanic? Should they be able to tell me how much I can charge, or what rules I can and cannot apply on my private property?
If your answer is yes, no doubt you support government control over your
thermostat. Electricity is a public utility and all, and there is a public interest in making sure the power doesn't go out all over the state. Sounds like a good plan, eh? I mean hell, why not control private property as long as it's used "for the greater good," like eminent domain? If I choose to use my private property to sell things, or choose to use it to manufacture things, or choose to use it to live in (and maybe manufacture things while I'm living there, who knows), it makes no difference. It's still private property, and I should be able to do whatever the hell I want with it and on it. Private property is private property. Whether you choose to sell things, make things, buy things, eat things, or watch things, should make no difference as to whether it is private property or not.
If you don't have the right to go on/in my private property, be it my home, business, road, or car, how can you claim to have the right to do whatever you want on it?
budiceman said:
How else are you to protect yourself on the way to and from work?
Park somewhere else.