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Concerning Gun Control, Let's Have More Lott and Less Moore
Written by Mike S. Adams
Saturday, June 26, 2004


Last semester, one of my students told me that he was down on America. In fact, he said that he was ashamed to be an American. He didn’t keep me guessing as to the reason for his shame and depression. He immediately disclosed that he had seen ''Bowling for Columbine,'' on one of the two occasions the Women’s Center sponsored its showing last year.

It is bad enough that the Women’s Center uses its budget as an excuse to campaign against conservative public policies, even when the policies have little to do with the women’s movement. But in the case of promoting Michael Moore, it is worse because the information Moore proffers is usually irrelevant and often completely inaccurate.

The thesis of ''Bowling for Columbine'' is sometimes difficult to ascertain because Moore frequently contradicts himself in the movie. nNonetheless, I think that he is trying, above all else, to assert the following:

The United States has more crime than other countries (like Canada).
The United States has more guns than other countries (like Canada).
Therefore, guns cause crime and, of course, more gun control is necessary.

I have encountered similar simplistic thinking from the right in my eleven years as a college professor. For example, some students have made the following argument, usually in my introductory criminal justice course:

Saudi Arabia has less crime than the United States.
Saudi Arabia uses harsher punishment than the Unites States (including public executions and amputation of hands for thieves).
Therefore, we should have public executions and amputate the hands of thieves in the United States. (I won’t even mention the penalty for adultery. Talk about a harsh penal system!).

When confronted with such arguments from my most punitive students, I usually begin by challenging the assertion that we can readily ascertain the difference in crime rates between various nations. National crime statistics are simply too flawed to do that with any level of precision.

For example, in the United States, only about 35 to 40% of the victims of crime bother to contact the police in the first place. When they do, the police (usually local) are not required to report the crime to the federal government, although the feds ask them to do so in the form of the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR). And the UCR totally exclude federal crimes from their data set. And so on, and so on.

The end result is that the government has some ability to assess changes in crime rates from year to year in the United States because these flaws tend to be equally present from year to year (roughly). But they have little ability to compare crime rates between nations, because the statistics of other nations are even less accurate than ours.

But even if we were able to say with precision that the United States had two times, or five times, or ten times as much crime as Saudi Arabia, how could we conclude that the system of punishment is the ''cause'' of the lower crime rate? Could it instead have something to do with climate? Or could it have something to do with culture? Or could it be something else we haven’t considered?

And speaking of causality, I know that the murder rate goes up in the summer. I also know that ice cream sales go up in the summer. But only a simpleton would assert that ice cream ''causes'' murder.

But, of course, Michael Moore is just such a simpleton. And, not to be disrespectful, but simplemindedness is to be occasionally expected of a college dropout. When we choose people to teach our students, through lectures or films or books, we should give some consideration to their educational qualifications.

So my request to the Women’s Center is also very simple. In the name of intellectual honesty (and diversity), let us critique the reasoning of gun control advocates with the same diligence that we use when critiquing those we consider to advocate extreme methods of punishment.

And let me be a Lott Moore (pun intended) specific. In the name of intellectual diversity, I am asking the Women’s Center to invite John Lott to speak at UNC-Wilmington.

John Lott has taught at the University of Chicago and Yale University and has authored what is perhaps the best critique of gun control ever written, ''More Guns, Less Crime.'' Some of my colleagues disagree with his recommendations for public policy but are completely unable to specify any flaws in his research or in his logic. In fact, one of them once told me that he was very disturbed by data indicating that right-to-carry permits seemed to be reducing the amount of crime in jurisdictions that had made them available.

And that is where we find ourselves too often in academia. We support policies that feel good and reject policies that contradict our feelings, even when they actually save lives. Clearly, the time has come for the academy to promote the public interest, not a given political agenda that is in line with certain feelings.

Recently, the second murder of a UNC-Wilmington student occurred in the span of a single month. There has been plenty of talk about the fact that the killer had a gun. There has been little talk about the fact that the victim did not.

Before the next unarmed student loses her life, let’s have a real debate on gun control. Let’s do it in the name of diversity.




About the Writer: Mike Adams is a professor at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington, and the author of the new book, "Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel." His website is at: http://www.DrAdams.org.
 
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er...........
Sorry agster, but even on his most flawed day Lott's studies are far more meticulously researched and laid out than any of the junk that comes out of the VPC, Brady Campaign, or that particular paragon of irrational shrieking, the so-called "Million" Mom March.

Of course, even if Lott's studies were all completely disproven it wouldn't matter, because the right to keep and bear arms is an intrinsic, individual human civil liberty.

So :neener:
 
justin,

thats as maybe, but saying:

Some of my colleagues disagree with his recommendations for public policy but are completely unable to specify any flaws in his research or in his logic.

is an utter fib, there are plenty of problems with More Guns Less Crime, as even Lott himself admits (given the controversy over coding errors and the 98% "survey")
 
There are problems with the 'problems'....

If Agricola is referring to Tim Lambert's work....

The author of the above piece, Mike Adams, addresses Lambert's approach nicely:

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"And that is where we find ourselves too often in academia. We support policies that feel good and reject policies that contradict our feelings, even when they actually save lives. Clearly, the time has come for the academy to promote the public interest, not a given political agenda that is in line with certain feelings."
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And of course, Justin is correct:

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"the right to keep and bear arms is an intrinsic, individual human civil liberty."
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So, "feel" away, you folks who don't care for the idea of an armed populace contributing to the public good.:D
 
98% "survey"

You mention only two errors from his book and one of them is a number used in a single sentence that was changed in later editions? I think that may be the sort of thing the author of the article was referring to.

That being said, while I am not convinced that Lott's work is necessarily wrong or that he's a fraud as many have tried to claim, his opponents have certainly done a very good job damaging his credibility. Citing his work is somewhat dangerous simply because you never know when someone is going to bring up Mary Rosh or something else that makes him look bad.
 
Is Moore simpleminded?I don't think so. He simply appeals to simpleminded people. Actually he is very clever. No need to insult those who are not college educated.
 
fallingblock,

Thats a new one - attacking someone for attacking Lott's credibility on the basis that what Lott stands for is "right" therefore Lambert must be wrong.

You publish books, reports and op-eds that contain checkable facts and you must expect to be called on them.

Lott did that, he has and by any rational standpoint there are grave problems with his work (Geech - it is more than the 98%, and in any case despite its insignificance in the book (though given that the study was not repeatable, no students can be found who took part in it, nor does Lott have any records of the students who did, and only one person has come forward who may have taken part) it was widely trumpeted by Lott and others in summaries and op-eds, eg:

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/gun_control_myths.htm
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg64779.html
http://www.tsra.com/Lott46.htm
http://www.tsra.com/Lott40.htm
http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/gunsandviolence.htm
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=95001554
http://www.heartland.org/archives/ia/marapr00/lott.htm

(note - the Heartland link contains the phrase

Kleck's study of defensive gun uses found that 98 percent of the time, simply brandishing the weapon is sufficient to stop an attack.

which is palpably false - Kleck found that the following actions took place:

gun mentioned: 54%
gun pointed: 47%
gun fired: 22%
gun fired at someone: 14%
shot someone: 8%

from http://www.ssaa.org.au/kleck.html ))

In short, what you are saying is that Lott is a liar, but he is our liar so thats alright.
 
Adams, wrong about Moore, wrong about Lott

Adams:
The thesis of “Bowling for Columbine†is sometimes difficult to ascertain because Moore frequently contradicts himself in the movie. Nonetheless, I think that he is trying, above all else, to assert the following:

The United States has more crime than other countries (like Canada). The United States has more guns than other countries (like Canada). Therefore, guns cause crime and, of course, more gun control is necessary.

What Moore actually says is that Canada has as many guns as the US and does not make the assertion that Adams claims.

Moore could certainly be criticized on this point since comparable survey data from the ICVS indicate that only 30% of Canadian households have guns, as compared to 50% of US households. (See this paper by Martin Killias for details.)

Adams also writes about John Lott:
Some of my colleagues disagree with his recommendations for public policy but are completely unable to specify any flaws in his research or in his logic.

Adams seems to be unfamiliar with the papers by Ayres and Donohue, Rubin and Dezhbakhsh, Ludwig, Duggan, Black and Nagin, Maltz and Targonski, Zimring and Hawkins, Hood and Neeley, Goertzel and Helland and Tabarrok. This is a little disappointing since Adams is actually a professor in Criminal Justice. This does not do a great deal for UNCW's reputation.

Oh, and fallingblock: try arguing with facts instead of garbage you make up.
 
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