New Jersey looks to ban big bore muzzleloaders!
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geekWithA.45
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Some folks have asked whether BB guns are considered firearms in NJ.
YES, THEY ARE CONSIDERED FULL BLOWN FIREARMS IN NJ.
You need a FID to purchase a Red Ryder.
You need a FID and a Pistol Purchase Permit to purchase a BB pistol.
All laws regarding storage, where and by whom they can be shot, and how they can be carried apply, without distinction, as if they are full blown firearms.
I'm not exaggerating.
It's the law.
YES, THEY ARE CONSIDERED FULL BLOWN FIREARMS IN NJ.
You need a FID to purchase a Red Ryder.
You need a FID and a Pistol Purchase Permit to purchase a BB pistol.
All laws regarding storage, where and by whom they can be shot, and how they can be carried apply, without distinction, as if they are full blown firearms.
I'm not exaggerating.
It's the law.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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Maryland was both North and South, depending on whose flag was flying in the town square.
Virginia is a whole different story.
Geekwitha45, you have my sympathy. How can a kid grow up like that? Are you required to be 21 to buy a red ryder bb gun? And (laugh) get permission?
Virginia is a whole different story.
Geekwitha45, you have my sympathy. How can a kid grow up like that? Are you required to be 21 to buy a red ryder bb gun? And (laugh) get permission?
P95Carry
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Geek .... amazing! What you refer to re BB guns is actually WORSE than any restrictions in UK pre ''ban'' in '97. In fact even now i think they are only slowly making those type of ''guns'' restricted.
''Draconian'' ain't in it!
Is NJ actually still in the US of A I wonder ... well, along with CA. (No offence intended to irstwhile THR members from those states)
''Draconian'' ain't in it!
Is NJ actually still in the US of A I wonder ... well, along with CA. (No offence intended to irstwhile THR members from those states)
geekWithA.45
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7.62: Praise the Deity, I did not grow up here, nor shall my kids.
As for the BBguns, 18 for a Red Ryder, 21 for a BB pistol.
(Fortunately, you can legally buy a BB pistol out of state @ 18, and personally bring it in yourself)
And while everyones still gaping in awe and wonder at the majesty and wisdom of NJ gunlaw, I probably ought to add that it took the guys down at Paintball supply inc. 5 years and I don't know how many dollars in lawsuits to get the state to agree that Paintball guns are not bb guns, and therefore aren't firearms.
Again, I poop you not.
As for the BBguns, 18 for a Red Ryder, 21 for a BB pistol.
(Fortunately, you can legally buy a BB pistol out of state @ 18, and personally bring it in yourself)
And while everyones still gaping in awe and wonder at the majesty and wisdom of NJ gunlaw, I probably ought to add that it took the guys down at Paintball supply inc. 5 years and I don't know how many dollars in lawsuits to get the state to agree that Paintball guns are not bb guns, and therefore aren't firearms.
Again, I poop you not.
nico
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can someone please explain to me how these morons, who probably couldn't tell the difference between a 22lr cartridge and a shotgun shell, allowed to make laws based on what a gun shoots? 
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:banghead:Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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Yes they will. I recall a Chicago assemblyman discussing the S&W 500 when it came out describe it as a "military style assault revolver" that could become the "gang-banger terrorist's weapon of chioce."
Where are the NRA and GOA media campaigns to counter these people? Would a full page ad in the NY Times explaining the truth about muzzle loaders have been impossible to procure?
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greyhound
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Thats the key word. The leftists truly believe that in this "post-modern" day and age, there is no need whatsoever for civilized people to possess weapons.
You can't argue with them as their argument is emotional not logical.
Meanwhile, post 9/11, sniper shootings, terror alerts, etc. more and more people are arming themselves in the US.
Go figure
7.62 is right about Virginia. Vast Cultural differences exist between VA and MD. Since so much of Virginia is mountainous, the state is just chock full of gunowners, and the current governor realizes this with his pro RKBA stances. Even around more populated areas like Richmond and Hampton Roads there isn't a hostile view towards gun ownership, as hunting and target shooting is a popular pastime among Virginia suburbanites.
Most residents in Northern VA counties near D.C. have a negative, if not hostile view towards guns and gun ownership by non LEOs. These are primarily transplants from the north in Northern VA for the region's booming job market. Fortunately, goofy laws that were granfathered in some Northern Va Counties will not have an effect on the rest of the state. Many in rural Virginia, particulary in isolated communities in the Southwest(Appalachia), Southside, and the Eastern Shore(Accomack-Northampton) don't have a lot of material wealth, so their guns are some of their most prized possessions.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but Virginia is a whole different animal than MD, and vastly different than the PRNJ. It is truly disturbing that authorities in the PRNJ are putting their heightened level of ignorance on display by considering BB guns "firearms" and by introducing bills to ban muzzle loaders. Those PRNJ idiots take ignorance to a whole new level.
Most residents in Northern VA counties near D.C. have a negative, if not hostile view towards guns and gun ownership by non LEOs. These are primarily transplants from the north in Northern VA for the region's booming job market. Fortunately, goofy laws that were granfathered in some Northern Va Counties will not have an effect on the rest of the state. Many in rural Virginia, particulary in isolated communities in the Southwest(Appalachia), Southside, and the Eastern Shore(Accomack-Northampton) don't have a lot of material wealth, so their guns are some of their most prized possessions.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but Virginia is a whole different animal than MD, and vastly different than the PRNJ. It is truly disturbing that authorities in the PRNJ are putting their heightened level of ignorance on display by considering BB guns "firearms" and by introducing bills to ban muzzle loaders. Those PRNJ idiots take ignorance to a whole new level.
mtnbkr
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Oh, I dunno about that. I've met very few antis in my 7 years in NoVa. Heck, I got into guns and hunting after moving here. Every place I've worked, had an active group of shooters as well.
I know more shooters in NoVa than I do in SW Va (Roanoke area).
I know it doesn't prove anything, but it's been my experience.
Chris
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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It's already started. Alexandria is starting to look like Berkley East, and most of the counties surrounding D.C. are as liberal as anything in Maryland. Then there is Hampton Rhodes and Richmond to factor in to the Liberal equation.
Balog
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makarov1 wrote:
Pardon my confusion, but what's the correlation between living in the mountains and owning firearms?
Pardon my confusion, but what's the correlation between living in the mountains and owning firearms?
ctdonath
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Only a hunter would want to use it.
New Jersey wants to ban it.
Do you get it yet?
mtnbkr
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Lots of hunting/hunters. Lots of remote homesteads. Lots of isolated communities, lots of mountain folk that still remember how the revenuers came after their pappy (or busted their 5000gal still just last week) for making a little 'shine, etc.
The mountain areas of Va are quite similar to West "By God" Virginia in terrain and mentality.
Chris
Balog
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Durn revenuers. Buggers arrested Miller too.
spartacus2002
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Hampton Roads may be a welfare state unto itself in mindset, but it's a fairly pro RKBA in many respects, thanks to a vocal minority.
Local Bass Pro Shops/ Outdoor World opened in Hampton recently. It had signs up stating that any firearms brought in had to be unloaded and left with the manager. Virginia Citizen's Defense League made a big stink, and initiated a letter-writing and emailing campaign. Outdoor World changed their policy in a hurry to let CCW permit holders carry in the store.
Local Bass Pro Shops/ Outdoor World opened in Hampton recently. It had signs up stating that any firearms brought in had to be unloaded and left with the manager. Virginia Citizen's Defense League made a big stink, and initiated a letter-writing and emailing campaign. Outdoor World changed their policy in a hurry to let CCW permit holders carry in the store.
ballistic gelatin
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And that's really all it takes to get something put before the lawmakers. It doesn't have to make sense.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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Yeah, those terrorists are big on muzzleloaders. I mean, why have an AK-47 when you can get an American-made .54 cal muzzloader. 
I mean, why have an AK-47 when you can get an American-made .54 cal muzzloader. - Status
