New Orleans getting back to normal...

[cropcirclewalker]

I am saddened by this string.

Nowhere in the constitution is there an authorization for fed.gov to be in the disaster relief business.

Davy Crockett was very eloquent on this matter. http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm

This whining by the victims and the victims supporters only tells us how much of a socialist country we have become.

How about Galveston in 1900? How about Chicago in 1891 (I think, the Chicago fire)? San Fransisco Earthquake back in 1906?

Fed.gov didn't rebuild any of those cities.

My neighbor's house burned down last summer. Fed.gov isn't rebuilding their house.

Quitcher Bitchin and get to work.

 

[S&W 910]

a natural disaster did not ruin the city,it was the failure of goverment built levees

levees that people paid taxes on.levees the goverment told citizens and buisness would protect the city and thier property


nobody seems to complain about 9-11 family members getting a million dollar
check after 9-11 or what they did with it

 

[cropcirclewalker]

I'm sorry, Mr. 910, but you just aren't paying attention.

I know that fed.gov (congress) is supposed to build post roads and post offices, but where is it said that they are supposed to build levees?

I got no levee around my house. Is it just the New Orleans levees? Equal Protection? That's in the constitution.

Maybe the state of Louisana should build the levee.

I ask again, where is it written in the constitution?

 

[S&W 910]

crop,study your history

the reason new orleans was built in the first place was for shipping through the miss river trough new orleans.researh how much of this countrys products come through new orleans ports and you will see why it is so important


how about this

let louisiana have complete control of all income for all imports and exports that goes through of new orleans.

let louisiana have all of the tax money the goverment gets from the oil industry using la's gulf coast(the governer is fighting for this now as la gets such a small %)

If La got its fair share of the money the Us economy makes off it, it would be fair for LA to pay for thier own levees,but that is not case



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana


New Orleans is also an industrial and distribution center, and one of the busiest seaports in the world. The Port of New Orleans is the largest U.S. port for several major commodities including rubber, cement and coffee.





http://www.lacoast.gov/watermarks/1999c-summer/2offshore/

Louisiana Offshore Oil and Gas Activity
Eighteen percent of U.S. oil production originates in, is transported through, or is processed in Louisiana coastal wetlands with a value of $6.3 billion a year. Almost 24 percent of U.S. natural gas production originates in or is processed in Louisiana’s coastal wetlands with a value of $10.3 billion a year.

Louisiana’s OCS (outer continental shelf) territory is the most extensively developed and matured OCS territory in the United States. It has produced 88.8 percent of the crude oil and condensate and 83.2 percent of the natural gas extracted from all federal OCS territories from the beginning of oil and gas exploration and development in the U.S. through the end of 1996.

As of December 1998, Louisiana offshore leases totaled 5,363, with more than 27 million acres under lease, 130 active drilling rigs, 4,489 producing oil wells and 3,813 producing gas wells.

Our latest annual production data for 1997 shows that 353,846,995 barrels of oil and 3,881,352,353 MCF (thousand cubic feet) of natural gas were produced. Between January and July 1998, oil production was at 227,282,332 barrels, with gas at 2,281,832,468 MCF.

Louisiana’s coastal wetlands contribute 28 percent to the total volume of U.S. fisheries.

As of October 1998, there were 3,439 platforms in the Gulf off Louisiana’s coast.

In 1997, oil and gas production was valued at a combined total of $18.6 billion, with federal royalties totaling $2.9 billion.






notice the last sentence" with federal royalties totaling $2.9 billion.". and this is 1997.
if louisiana got this money they could afford to build there own levees

 

[cropcirclewalker]

Mr. 910, thank you for all that useful information, but you failed to answer my question.

I most likely agree that fed.gov is taking lots of revenue from the industries of Louisana. It's a cryin shame. Most of which is probably unconstitutional too.

fed.gov is outa control and needs to be stifled. We agree, but there is still no provision for fed.gov to do disaster relief.

 

[S&W 910]

MR.Crop ,i completely agree

and its my opinion that the federal government should not have to pay for disaster relief

BUT,my point is new orleans was not destroyed by a natural diaster

its was flooded by the Mississippi river because of failures of an underfunded ,outdated government built levee system that the government said would protect the city

if the levees would have done their job,Katrina would have been just another Strom that new Orleans has seen plenty of times before

if new Orleans would have been destroyed like Florida hurricanes by wind and rain,i don't think the government should be responsible

but it is all wishful thinking on my part,if Louisiana got all the money from shipping and oil the politicians would just steal it.

one former Governor is currently in jail for taking bribes to give casino licenses

they have a current US rep on tape taking a 100,000 bribe and found 10,000 of it in his freezer

the mayor before nagin is probably the biggest crook in the world,several of his friends and brother have been indited for illegal dealings with the city,i cant wait to read that he has been arrested

 

[bouis]

910: I agree with a lot of what you say but one thing -- it was the leevies along the lake and the supporting canal network that failed.

The part of New Orleans along the river is actually higher up and a lot of it wasn't flooded.

 

[Peet]

a natural disaster did not ruin the city,it was the failure of goverment built levees

I like a good joke as much as the next guy, but...

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/14969

and especially

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8746

 

[del4]

N.O. has always received money to maintain/improve their levees. They have known it was sub-standard at least since I was a kid. I remember it flooding on St. Claude after a heavy t-storm and water coming into buildings after tropical storms. They have done Discovery Channel documentaries on this very subject for crying out loud. They govern an area below sea level with known sub-par levees yet they wait until after the storm to beat the drum.

You pay fees and taxes from every angle in LA yet the state and local government never has any money. There's plenty of money. Louisiana politics is the true "culture of corruption" and the same old people get put back into office. How many terms did Edwards serve? The Morials? The Longs? Nagan! How many Landreaus are in office there? Who confiscated the guns and just recently said he would do it again.

I am soooo tired of hearing how the rest of the country is beating up New Orleans. It seems like that's all you hear on talk radio there.

Louisiana is an important state and New Orleans is the most important city in that state. It's just being run by crooks. Like I said in my previous post in this thread, many, MANY great people there. People that would give you the shirt off their back. People that offer you food or drinks while your working and don't even know you from Adam. But, they also have the other extreme. They need to work on weeding them and their politicians out of influence.

 

[engineer151515]

The system needs to rebuilt for todays catagory 5 storms

I'm not even sure that is possible.

 

[Sportcat]

From my understanding... Katrina was actually a strong Cat. 3 when it hit NO.

 

[YellowLab]

NO is a perfect example of idiots being elected by other idiots. Please look up idiot in the dictionary.. its use is correct.

Come on, CHOCOLATE TOWN? Nagen couldn't lead a dung beetle to dung in a cow pasture. And the RETARDS that reelected him somehow think that he can FIX the massive amount of problems (crime being one item on a LLOOONNNGGGGG list of things needing fixed) in NO?

Add on top of that people like S&W who believe that NO is simple a problem that the government can fix.... WHAT PROBLEM HAS THE GOVERNMENT EVER FIXED?

We are digenerating into a nation of laws instead of a nation of individuals with morales and generosity. You cannot legistate a safe levee system, and you cannot buy one for what the goverment want to pay (lowest bidder - corrupt system.. win win for all!).

 

[Sportcat]

You cannot legistate a safe levee system, and you cannot buy one for what the goverment want to pay (lowest bidder - corrupt system.. win win for all!).

You CANNOT save a city that is sinking an inch every year! Sorry... mother nature always wins.

 

[bouis]

YellowLab: New Orleans is a solidly Democrat house. It was either Nagin or about the worst far-left Democrat imaginable.

Nagin had two things going for him: he's black, and nominally pro-business. Combining the two is a winning combination in New Orleans when running against a white pinko like Landrieu.

I'd personally like to add a third: Nagin is incompetent. In a Democrat that's definitely a plus.

 

[ksnecktieman]

Personally, I see a problem with building below sea level, and trying to hold the sea back. Face it people, mother nature is going to win. Why are we even trying to rebuild on that location? Move fifty miles north, and let the ocean have it back. We should have taken our billions we have and will spend here, and moved everyone out, and destroyed the rest of the levees. Some day it may be feasible to build there. Of course that is after we learn how to control the weather. For the amount of money we are spending, we could have bought every displaced family a home, somewhere else.

To bring this to a more personal level. The US has 300 million people, roughly. At about 3.33$ for every man woman and child in this country you have one billion dollars. How many people in your family? If you have a couple with one child, family of three,, your share of every billion the feds spend is ten dollars.

I see this as a really big lose now, lose later, and eventually return to do it again.

 

[BigRobT]

First of all, what happened to the monies given to the state to augment the levees?? Just WHOSE pocket did it go in?? Look at all the documentation on the levees around New Orleans, and it's quite evident that people have know the levees were substandard for a solid FORTY years. I think what happened is a tragedy, possibly a preventable one, but one can't just lay this all on the Federal Government.

Now, on topic, tonight I was listening to John Gibson talking about the crime in New Orleans, Nagin calling out the National Guard, etc. It was quite enlightening. What bugged me even more was the fact that Mr Gibson was quite vociferous about the fact that even though New Orleans has about HALF of it's pre-Katrina population, it's violent crime rate is actually higher than pre-Katrina. A good portion of the problem can be assigned to the local LEOS. Nagin can make all the excuses he wants, but it seems pretty clear that they are NOT doing their job. Why?? I've heard numerous excuses, from being over worked to just being incompetent. Personally, I'll refrain from speculation.

 

[Mannlicher]

S&W 910

how about this

let louisiana have complete control of all income for all imports and exports that goes through of new orleans.

let louisiana have all of the tax money the goverment gets from the oil industry using la's gulf coast(the governer is fighting for this now as la gets such a small %)

If La got its fair share of the money the Us economy makes off it, it would be fair for LA to pay for thier own levees,but that is not case

I think you are missing one important aspect of all this. With the level of corruption at State and local levels in LA, the money would be siphoned off into the pockets of the politicians and their cronies, and the levees STILL would not be built. We are talking about the most corrupt city in the country.