New York Moves To Defend Gun Law

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In a sign that federal courts here in New York will defend New York City's restrictive gun regulations, a judge is allowing the city to strip a disabled Vietnam War veteran of his gun license.

The decision, handed down this week, is likely the first court ruling to deal with New York's gun-permitting scheme since the Supreme Court declared that the Second Amendment gives citizens an individual right to keep a gun at home for self-defense.

The veteran who lost his gun license, Dominick DiNapoli, said the Supreme Court's decision ought to require that he gets back his gun permit.

"Who needs a gun more than someone like me, who is disabled and can't physically defend his home?" Mr. DiNapoli said in an interview.

The court decision, by Judge William Pauley III of U.S. District Court in Manhattan, does not mention the Second Amendment and defers entirely to the New York City Police Department's permitting process. New York's gun-licensing system is expected to come under challenge soon on allegations that it restricts law-abiding citizens from keeping guns at home for self-defense.

In 1970, police first issued Mr. DiNapoli, then a deer hunter, a license for a shotgun or rifle. In 2002, the department revoked it, citing both a brief period during which Mr. DiNapoli was homeless and criminal charges that had been filed against him and subsequently dropped, Judge Pauley wrote in the decision.

During the time Mr. DiNapoli was homeless — he was evicted from his apartment in 2001 — and failed to inform the police department of a change of address, as is required of permitted gun owners, Judge Pauley noted.

The criminal charges against Mr. DiNapoli, filed in 2000, alleged that he had sent a threatening letter to employees of the federal Department of Agriculture regarding his difficulties in obtaining food stamps. Federal prosecutors subsequently dropped the charges in 2004.

Mr. DiNapoli said he never threatened federal employees. He said that he had written to request food stamps and explain that he was having difficulty paying rent, which had, in turn, led to a feud with his landlord. Mr. DiNapoli said he had written that he feared the feud would turn violent and that he might need to use his guns in self-defense.

In the end, the police department had decided that the Mr. DiNapoli's actions "indicated a lack of good moral character for firearms possession," Judge Pauley wrote.

Mr. DiNapoli's suit argued that the police department places illegal administrative obstacles between people and firearm licenses, by requiring repeated visits to One Police Plaza to submit paperwork or attend hearings and interviews.

Mr. DiNapoli's suit claims that his disabilities — he suffers from joint disease, back trouble, and vertigo — render him unable to travel to One Police Plaza from his home in the Bronx to attend the hearings relating to his case.

In court papers, Mr. DiNapoli explains his complaint by quoting directly from the Declaration of Independence. He accuses the police department of holding inconvenient hearings "for the sole purpose of fatiguing" people "into compliance," one of the grievances listed against King George III. Mr. DiNapoli is a former UPS employee and self-employed woodworker, he said.

He now spends most of his time writing to various government agencies and trying to secure accomodation for his disabilities.

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He accuses the police department of holding inconvenient hearings "for the sole purpose of fatiguing" people "into compliance," one of the grievances listed against King George III.
He has a point.
 
lack of good moral character for firearms possession,"

...is not a reason to deny a gun license. Neither is homelessness (define "home"), nor are charges that are brought and subsequently dropped.

These are arbitrary and inconsistent reasons.
 
I found a copy of the opinion, and here is how narrow the case was tailored:

Plaintiff Dominick J. DiNapoli ("DiNapoli") brings this action against the City of New. York (the "City") challenging the revocation of his license to carry a fire-arm and the failure to accommodate his appeal in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (the "ADA"), 42 U.S.C. § 12101 et seq., and the Rehabilitation Act, 29 U.S.C.A. § 701 et seq. DiNapoli also brings state law claims and asks the Court to annul the revocation of his license. The City moves for summary judgment. For the following reasons, the City's motion is granted and this action is dismissed..

The Second Amendment was never pled as being violated. I guess the case was filed before Heller, and the pro se defendant figured a 2A allegation wouldn't help him out at the time. The court only looks at the arguments presented, so . . . .
 
There is an intersting point,re Heller, where do homeless people count? Does a tent or cardboard box count as a "home" especially since liberal actually handed out cardboard "homes" at one point.I think Heller doesn't restrict it to the home, I think the language was "such as self defense in the home", but leftists will try to twist it that way. Would be interesting for the leftists to go after one of thier cherished groups like that.
 
If his suit is based on the ADA then not very good however if he wants to sue under Heller that the multiple trips to 1 police plaza, $340 fee and the long waiting period (6-10)months infringe on his 2A rights then maybe we can get somewhere
 
There is an intersting point,re Heller, where do homeless people count? Does a tent or cardboard box count as a "home"

So long as America is my home, and I continue to live in America, I will never be homeless.

NYC is just another stinking cesspool. Why ANY veteran would choose to live in that stinking pit that is a poster child for standing against everything that veterans fought and continue to fight for, is beyond me.

Jeff
 
He now spends most of his time writing to various government agencies and trying to secure accomodation for his disabilities.
Nice. A disabled veteran, doing what citizens should do -- contact their government -- and they portray him in a way that makes it appear he's no better than welfare scum and illegal immigrants.
 
Nice. A disabled veteran, doing what citizens should do -- contact their government -- and they portray him in a way that makes it appear he's no better than welfare scum and illegal immigrants.

The guy has had some run-ins (alleged) with the police before. He doesn't seem as perfect as a candidate as Heller was.
 
this is why i'm glad i left the bronx, or NYC in general. it's not enough that you have to deal with rampant crime, poverty, and squalor, but you have to deal with a justice system that encourages it.

i'm not surprised that a disabled veteran is getting shafted like this. growing up, i constantly saw vets, reduced to scrounging change from payphones, panhandling, collecting bottles, just to survive. many get turned away from shelters and missions, because of the fear of their mental/emotional states. it broke my heart then, and it does now. i think of my father, and how lucky he was, and is, for not falling prey to the demons that haunt many vets. do you think that the NYPD and city hall cared that these men sacrificed so much for their country? not a lick. it seemed to me, from incidents i witnessed, that some cops were even harder on homeless vets. it's simply digusting. the hell with NYC, and it's mayor, Herr Bloomberg.
 
So police contact now strips people of their fundamental rights?


No, of course not.


But when we have a chance to pick and choose whom would make better candidates for an important court case, there are plenty of candidates who have clean records.

Look at Heller, could you pick a better candidate? Nope.

And the other side couldn't discredit him. Like saying, "Ah, he's a gang banger who wants a gun."

That's what many have said about Miller, a bootlegger.

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What's with both Cali and NY making examples out of vets? Can't they make examples out of thugs for a change?
 
The law is unconstitutional. The judge knows, LEO's know it, and down the line of authority an unabashedly defiant unconstitutional law is enforced.
What can you say about individuals who do that to another?
 
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Scalia actually said, "To defend the home and other lawful purposes." (Not exact quote.)


Hunting is a lawful purpose.


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The arbitrary decisions about gun licenses allowed in NYC and other places are bound to be challenged in reliance on Heller. Scalia clearly says that licensing may not be arbitrary and capricious. Be patient, keep the faith, and keep fighting the good fight.
 
it's not enough that you have to deal with rampant crime, poverty, and squalor, but you have to deal with a justice system that encourages it.

it's not enough that you have to deal with rampant crime, poverty, and squalor, but you have to deal with all the free lance criminals that aren't in the government, too.

There, I fixed it for you.

Pops
 
Enough of you people dumping on my city. Do the gun laws in NYC suck? Yes, absolutely. Mayor Bloomberg was what before he converted to Independent, a Republican. And Bloomberg replaced who? Rudy Guilliani. Who as I recall just recently ran for President of the United States as a conservative Republican. And exactly what did Rudy do for gun owners in New York City? Nothing. When you dump on New York you are dumping on fellow American citizens. A majority of which are good hard working people just like the rest of this country. The NYPD for all their flaws is still the best in the world bar none they train your guys not the other way around. And they do an excellent job of protecting our great megatropolis. FDNY too. The terrorists didn't just pick New York and Washington at random they chose them because they are the most strategically important targets this country has. And always will be. It's bad enough being attacked by terrorists we shouldn't have to worry about how our fellow citizens feel toward us. Next time you see or read some negative stuff about about gun ownership here in the New York metro area don't trash us give us some love feel our pain. Or don't and the next time you dump on New York I'll come and take a dump on your front lawn. New York is not a stinking cesspool it is the shining light to the rest of the world. Be Cool , Be Safe TKM
 
Catalina25,

I have to respectfully disagree. Just so you know, I grew up on the Upper-West side of Manhattan, I went to high school in the Bronx. I am a third generation New Yorker.

As soon as I was old enough I moved out of NYC. If I never had to go back I would be a happy man. For the past twenty-plus years I have lived in the Capital Region and environs. First Albany and now Averill Park.

As a wise man once said "People get the government they deserve." This is true in spades for New York City.

Before Bloomberg was an Independent he was a Republican true enough. However, you didn't go back far enough. Before he was a Republican Bloomberg was a life-long Democrat. He changed parties when the New York State Democratic Party wouldn't back him for Mayor.

As for Guliani, in almost any other part of the country he would be considered a Conservative Democrat, or alternately a Liberal Republican.

New York City has more of everything. More Museums, more restaurants, more stores, more skyscrapers, more variety. However it also has the other side of the coin. More poor, more trash, more noise as well.

People tend to see a place through their own filters. I find New York City too loud, busy, smelly, crowded, and infected with a "the Government is supposed to take care of people" attitude. (That last is a quote from my mother by the way.)

In short, New York City is a shining beacon to some and a stinking cesspool to others, depending on what they are looking for.

Sincerely,

Prof. A. Wickwire
 
Thank you for a civil response Prof.. I'm am aware of both mayors histories. I just get tired of the steady stream of liberal bashing found regularly on some threads. Not all conservatives embrace guns nor do liberals want to take them away. Any reasonably person should be able to see that it is the rhetoric and extreme ideology from both sides of the aisle that is hurting this nation as much or more as any outside influence. But the political side of it wasn't my main point. My main point was civility, decorum not insulting another man's home taking "The High Road". One nation. TKM
 
The lefties are continuing to say what they have always said...

Before the Heller ruling it was, "The constitution doesn't mean what it says..."

Now they say, "The Supreme Court didn't really mean what they said..."

Don't try to confuse me with a bunch of facts...I know how I feel!!!!
 
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