Okay...time for a History Quiz...

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

History Test

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following Multiple
Choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history They actually happened!

Do you remember?

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American Passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

[Jac]

Point?

 

[Oleg Volk]

In the 1990s, Bosnian Muslim civilians were massacred by mostly what group? How about Chechen civilians? I think that pretty much every ethnic and religious group tries to rub out its neighbors at some point in its history...mainly because blanket labels that cover a large enugh group are awfully inexact. Why not define people by their actions and not by their motivations? Who cares if a bus got bombed by an IRA Provo or by a PLO nutcase...all we care about is that innocent people got killed or injured and that someone will have to go and hunt the culprits and their buddies for pelts.

 

[M2HMGHB]

Well said Oleg. Well said indeed.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

I agree with Oleg -- there are other groups practicing terrorism, and they are equally as bad as the Muslim extremists.

I've seen that history quiz before. This version omits the conclusion, however. The "point" was supposed to be that U.S. "security" checks are being conducted in a politically correct manner that bends over backward to avoid profiling, causing people such as 80-year old grandmothers to be detained, searched and interrogated while people who fit the parameters of those most likely to commit acts of terrorism are allowed to pass with minimal screening. It may be politically correct, but it is neither efficient nor effective. (Nor logical)

I believe that's the point.

 

[Blackcloud6]

How about Chechen civilians?

There probably would be no Russian Army fighting in Chechnya if it was'nt for "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40" trying to seperate from Russia by force of arms.

Sorry Oleg, I don't buy your attempt at a counter-argument.

We are at war with "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40" now just as we were against the entire populations of Germany and Japan back in the 1940s.

 

[Justin]

There probably would be no Russian Army fighting in Chechnya if it was'nt for "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40" trying to seperate from Russia by force of arms.

Can you really blame someone who doesn't want to live in a nation under Russian control?

But if they'd been Christians I'm sure they'd be fighting the good fight against the Godless commies, right?

 

[Rebeldon]

I think the issue is one of profiling. Why should we be affraid to profile when you have such an obvious trend?

 

[Moparmike]

Whatever we do, we must all remember that its the murdering fanatical extremist zealots who we should target, not all of Islam.


Lets not get this turned into another Islam-bashing thread.

 

[El Tejon]

Mmmkay, I got it. Two claws up. The radical Muslims are the enemy. Yes, they want to kill us.

Alright, now what?

We've been here before. This is a battle of resolve. God grant us clear sights and crisp triggers.

 

[jimpeel]

CAPTAIN MIKE

Two words: "Torricelli Principle"

 

[RepublicanMan]

Be careful....this topic has been known to lead to the banning of productive members in the past.


It's very easy to sit back and say we shouldn't judge everyone by the actions of a few but it's not so easy to say the same when the majority of the subject matter support the actions of the few in public and on the record. Never mind the fact that those who may or may not support them don't have the intestinal fortitude to come out and make statements to that effect.

For a good example of what I'm talking about, read the articles on the Johnson murder, take note of the man interviewed that said that (paraphrase here) " We feel as though this killing was a justifiable retaliation for the actions of the Americans in Abu Gharib and we support the actions taken by Al Quaeda, that is why we didn't inform the authorities of the location he was being held in."

One thing I believe most Libs have gotten right lately is the fact that most of those people don't want us over there and that most of them would rather see us dead. Now if the mamby pamby politically correct crowd would just open their eyes and see that it's true and would stop bending over so far backwards to defend them instead of letting us show them and call them for what they are we'd be a hell of alot better off.

 

[Moparmike]

It's very easy to sit back and say we shouldn't judge everyone by the actions of a few but it's not so easy to say the same when the majority of the subject matter support the actions of the few in public and on the record. Never mind the fact that those who may or may not support them don't have the intestinal fortitude to come out and make statements to that effect.

Well, I dont think even saying "a majority" is true, because that implies something like 600-700 million Musilms worldwide. However, we can say "a majority of the Muslims our leftist media airs footage of." Just to keep in line with your first statement about productive members.

I am not trying to be PC, infact I abhor political correctness, what I am trying to do is not let anyone commit flammable fallacies of logic, like the word "majority."

 

[jimpeel]

" We feel as though this killing was a justifiable retaliation for the actions of the Americans in Abu Gharib and we support the actions taken by Al Quaeda, that is why we didn't inform the authorities of the location he was being held in."

So, under the moral equivalency doctrine of the Islamic religion, the proper punishment for stripping someone naked and making fun of the size of their genitals is to cut off the head of someone who was totally uninvolved in the act.

That, in a single sentence, about covers the whacked-out thinking of the Islamic extremists.

 

[agricola]

er.... (and far be it from me to rain on anyones parade)

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

it was actually bombed by agents of the Libyan security services, at least according to the trial of two of them (Libya being a country firmly of the old school - like Syria and Iraq - of middle eastern dictatorships, hardly a "extremist muslim" state):

http://www.ltb.org.uk/backgroundsummary.cfm

 

[agricola]

double post

 

[Brian Williams]

How about
the Hutu's and the Tutsi's
The North and South
Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants
Australian Convict immegrants and the aboriginies
Japanese and the Koreans
The Phillipine Muslims and the Northern population
The Aztecs and the surrounding population
the XY's and the XX's

 

[joab]

Never mind the fact that those who may or may not support them don't have the intestinal fortitude to come out and make statements to that effect.

The Muslim community in Orlando have been very vocal in their condemnation of both of the beheadings and in their support of the WOT effort

 

[Art Eatman]

RepublicanMan, I gotta disagree about the political correctness. Part of it is contempt for you and me and the citizenry at large: After 9/11, what would be passenger response to some doofus with a knife? My view is that while he might kill one or two, the rest of the passengers would tear him apart. Guvmint folks think we're incable of any defense, even against fingernail clippers.

Part of it is terminal dumbbuttedness: The Joe Foss incident is adequate proof; the idiots' "reasoning" was that his Medal of Honor had sharp points.

As far as dancing in the streets, how many times have we commented here about the propensity of the Mediahcrities' juggling of camera positions and angles to make a very few (the MMM, e.g) appear as many? Do you ever wonder why, when a tornado hits a mobile home park, the park seems to have been populated only by fat ugly women with pink curlers? "Selectivity" seems to be the operative word. With anti-US stuff, particularly if it hurts Bush, I imagine they'll interview a whole bunch of Arabs but only televise the one they found who hates the US.

But if I were in Airport Insecurity, I rather doubt I'd worry about Valley Girls or some guy who drawls and twangs a lot...

Art

 

[MJRW]

I've always wondered how one identifies an extremists before extreme actions. Please, Captain Mike, in all your infinite wisdom as is shown in this thread...please teach me.

 

[WilderBill]

If the press in general and folks like Al Jazeera in particular want to make sure we hear about how angry and dangerous "all" of Islam is, then why should they be at all surprized if we veiw them that way?

Sure, I understand it's only a small minority that cause the trouble.
What seems to get swept under the rug is the trouble that the small minority cause to all of Islam by their actions.

I'd bet it has never occured to Usama and his cohorts, that one day we might see some sort of non governmental respose to thier actions.
I am neither advocating nor condeming it, but what if "Bubba and the boys" or some ultra right wing JDL splintor gets their hands on a nuke and decides that the would just dosen't need Mecca all that much?

My point is, that if these extremists want to set themselves up as the biggest bullys on the block, they also set themselves up as the most likely targets.
Then they want to hide behind everyone that we perceive as being like them.

 

[Jackthelad]

And don't forget: It was ACTUALLY Radical Muslim Males between the ages of 17-40 that RECEIVED UPS packages misdelivered to them (signatures intact) from a leading reloading manufacturer..... sorry, just goofing.

 

[dischord]

Why should we be affraid to profile when you have such an obvious trend?

How do you profile for religion?

 

[Ezekiel]

How do you profile for religion?

That query is the best sum of every non-political issue offered during my lurks on this board. Thus far, we've [Feds] tried a variety of measures to no avail. Short of reading minds -- I'm certain someone is working on that -- were stuck with trying to neutralize everyone's abilities to harm everyone else both here and abroad: that's just not possible.

Thanks,

Zeke