Offwhite
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I had a gun dealer tell me that my Glock 30 was a "pre-ban" because it did not have rails under it. I did not know there was such a thing as a pre-ban Glock. Could someone please explain.
Pre-ban Glock?
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one45auto
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He doesn't know what he's talking about. Sad to say but that's typical for most gun shop employees. (I heard one at a gun show last month tell someone that Colt stopped making the Python in the late Eighties, if you can believe that baloney. 
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The lack of a light rail simply means that it is either a first or second generation Glock. The first generation had a smooth grip with no checkering, whereas the second generation had checkering. Glock added the finger grooves for to their third generation, and then later the accessory rail for the light. I can't remember what years they made each model, but my Glock 19 is a second-generation model and it was manufactured in October of 91'.
Hope this helps.
) The lack of a light rail simply means that it is either a first or second generation Glock. The first generation had a smooth grip with no checkering, whereas the second generation had checkering. Glock added the finger grooves for to their third generation, and then later the accessory rail for the light. I can't remember what years they made each model, but my Glock 19 is a second-generation model and it was manufactured in October of 91'.
Hope this helps.
Offwhite
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Well what does "second generation" Glock pertain to?
newfalguy101
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My understanding is it is the same as the "-" numbers of Smith & Wesson guns
major changes to the basic model.
I am not a Glock guy so I dont know the specifics, but the 2nd poster alluded to some of the differences
major changes to the basic model.
I am not a Glock guy so I dont know the specifics, but the 2nd poster alluded to some of the differences
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tomkatz
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This pretty much tells the story.....
Last week I had to correct a store employee conversing with another customer. I normally don't butt it by I HAD to..... The employee was telling the customer handling a S&W model 29 that it was a "K" frame.
Pre-ban Glock? It has the threaded flash suppressor, folding bayonet and pistol grip extending obviously below the stock, right? I want one.
Pre-ban Glock? It has the threaded flash suppressor, folding bayonet and pistol grip extending obviously below the stock, right? I want one.
duncan
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Offwhite said:
Tell that uniformed gun shop employee . . .
Pre-ban refers to the Sunset Law restricting hi-cap mags among other limitations. It has lapsed BTW:
http://www.leaa.org/Shield 2003/shield2003sunset.html
Just because you work in a gunshop DOES NOT MEAN you know what in the hell you are talking about!
Most are quite knowledgeable but avoid the guy trying to sell you some off-brand gun while he carries a Hi-Point 9mm on his hip.
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duncan
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timothy75 said:
This is a no ........ zone.
Hard on him or her?
Surrounded by dozens of gun mags with some down time in between cleaning the range, cleaning the counter and the shelves, dusting guns. Plenty of time to read and talk to the gunsmith to learn about the different brands and especially knwoing about the Sunset ban?
Tough on that person, heck yeah! This is not grade school. If you don't know guns, the NRA, local gun or anti-gun movements, and can't shoot, don't work at a gunshop.
Like a car saleman who only rides a bike. Why?
tomkatz
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I have to agree with duncan.....I have seen so much B.S. spewed out in gunshops it's disgusting, folks on these forums definately know more than some of these gunshop "experts".....
When dealing with something as serious as firearms you should be pretty well informed before you start advising people who may know nothing about guns, and will take your word as gospel.
......tom
When dealing with something as serious as firearms you should be pretty well informed before you start advising people who may know nothing about guns, and will take your word as gospel.
......tom
duncan
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Let's get some things straight.
MOST gunshop employee know their biznasss. Have tons of toys themselves. And I trust their opinions. Like the ole gun sages. Some of these guys have been in the business for 40 years and can tell you about the owners of Kimber and SW.
I'm just worried about owners that hire just anybody without walking them through their paces.
Like having them name and describe every gun in inventory. Nothing worse than having an AR-15 nut try to sell you 1911 and he doesn't even have a Llama let alone an SA or Kimber to his name.
Gun shops are a lot of grunt work but those who love guns, it's a nice place to be(when you can afford the pay).
This all just points out why we all need to keep on reading and learning so when you are about to step into it, you'll listen, shake your head, and buy the right gun for you without the confusing baby's mama' drama crap from the big word babies.
MOST gunshop employee know their biznasss. Have tons of toys themselves. And I trust their opinions. Like the ole gun sages. Some of these guys have been in the business for 40 years and can tell you about the owners of Kimber and SW.
I'm just worried about owners that hire just anybody without walking them through their paces.
Like having them name and describe every gun in inventory. Nothing worse than having an AR-15 nut try to sell you 1911 and he doesn't even have a Llama let alone an SA or Kimber to his name.
Gun shops are a lot of grunt work but those who love guns, it's a nice place to be(when you can afford the pay).
This all just points out why we all need to keep on reading and learning so when you are about to step into it, you'll listen, shake your head, and buy the right gun for you without the confusing baby's mama' drama crap from the big word babies.
Lennyjoe
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They would of ran me out of the gunshop cause I would of laughed right in his face.
That's some funny stuff right there, I dont care who you are (Larry the cable guy)
That's some funny stuff right there, I dont care who you are (Larry the cable guy)
duncan
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Well, I've seen a lot of gunshop loses business because of ignorant or lazy employees.
One shop in Bellevue, WA has a reputation of employees ignoring the patrons but they still stay in business because of the high # of millionaires that shop there.
Another shop in southern Bellevue went out of business in part because the owner had employees who knew the business better than he did but he refused to stock the inventory that the customers wanted. Guy had rows and rows of hunting rifles that never sold for years - they just kept dusting them off.
So knowing your guns and their availability is key to staying alive on that 10 % margin plus ammo sales and gunsmithing.
One shop in Bellevue, WA has a reputation of employees ignoring the patrons but they still stay in business because of the high # of millionaires that shop there.
Another shop in southern Bellevue went out of business in part because the owner had employees who knew the business better than he did but he refused to stock the inventory that the customers wanted. Guy had rows and rows of hunting rifles that never sold for years - they just kept dusting them off.
So knowing your guns and their availability is key to staying alive on that 10 % margin plus ammo sales and gunsmithing.
tomkatz
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I should have made it clear, I'm not getting down on the gunstore guys who know their stuff.....I heard a guy in a shop I frequent recently tell a customer, "I don't know the answer to that, maybe someone else in the store can tell you"....I like that, he didn't just feel he had to come up with something just because he works there....
same store, I heard a customer being told that he needs to take his wife to an indoor range and rent some guns beofre buying her one, good guy, less worried about sales, just wants a happy RETURN customer.
They need to be paid more so you get the good folks.....I think the underpaid rookie is fine at McDonalds, not so fine when selling something to defend ones life with.
......tom
same store, I heard a customer being told that he needs to take his wife to an indoor range and rent some guns beofre buying her one, good guy, less worried about sales, just wants a happy RETURN customer.
They need to be paid more so you get the good folks.....I think the underpaid rookie is fine at McDonalds, not so fine when selling something to defend ones life with.
......tom
duncan
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tomkatz said:
Righto.
I don't know is an honest and truthful answer. He just can't say that too much - or people will be leary of buying from him.
Hard to find folks who know their guns and pay them what they are really worth. Many take the job for the privileges and to buy more guns at or very near cost
KNow some gun shop friends with some $2-3K carbines with all of the bells and whistles.
The shop is only one of their jobs.
duncan said:
I find this at least in my area to rarely but not never be the case, especially at a chain type gun shop. I almost never correct gunshop employeess or customers giving incorrect info but I have had to bite my lip to keep from laughing from time to time.
I have probably met only 2-3 gunshop workers that I thought knew as much or more about guns as I do in my life however this can be a tough thing to gauge as mentioned because it is next to impossible to know all things aboout all aspects of the shooting sports such as trap/skeet shooting, reloading, hunting, areas that I freely admit that my knowledge on is not nearly as strong as other areas.
newfalguy101
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Not trying to be a smart alek but I think you will find that in many areas of the country, you cant find enough "gun guys" who will work for what you can afford to pay.
I agree its nice to find a gunguy when I am dealing on a gun, but sometimes I would rather have a GOOD salesman who knows when to shut-up and NOT interject his OPINION into my buying decision without being asked for it.
Besides, you get a bunch of gunguys together who will do all the work
while they debate the endless pros and cons of "9MM VS 45 ACP", or "Glock is the ruination of all things steel VS plastic is the next best thing in guns" ?????? 
duncan
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You cannot afford to live in Seattle unless you make some nice $$$$.
So gunshop employees making $10 an hour are selling guns to Microsoft and othe rhigh tech millionaires in their 30s.
Different world around raintown.
So gunshop employees making $10 an hour are selling guns to Microsoft and othe rhigh tech millionaires in their 30s.
Different world around raintown.
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