Press reporting the use of a UZI in a gunfight in NJ

[jeff-10]

NEWARK (CBS) ― Two men fatally shot each other after they brawled in Newark on Saturday afternoon.

The incident began around 2 p.m., said Det. Todd McClendon, a Newark police spokesman.

Police did not confirm what sparked the brawl, but identified the victims as 16-year-old Bashir Davis, and 28-year-old Jaronne Culver. They say there was a fight over turf, and may have involved a third man who fled in a car. One of the weapons used was an uzi, a type of submachine gun.

"I know both of them both of them," said Newark Resident Amani Shakur. Both are generally good guys. I don't know what happened."

McClendon said one man was pronounced dead at the scene, while the other was taken to University hospital in Newark, where he died a short time later.

There have now been 22 homicides in Newark this year, compared to 31 that had occurred by this time last year.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Newark.Street.Fight.2.715396.html

 

[Standing Wolf]

One of the weapons used was an uzi, a type of submachine gun.

No, no, no, no, no. It was a Republican semi-automatic assault machine gun .50 caliber sniper hidden handgun favored by terrorists at gun shows because it can knock down tall buildings over five miles away and also it causes cancer.

It's Bush's fault.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

We need more power for concealed carry - if it's good for the police it's good for us.

 

[Kind of Blued]

"I know both of them both of them," said Newark Resident Amani Shakur.

 

[loneviking]

So it was an UZI? I'd like to know where the guy got the ammo for it? The suckers jam like crazy with anything other than Israeli ammo. The Israeli ammo has much harder primers than the U.S. ammo and you have to use that sort of ammo to make any UZI I've fired cycle reliably.

BTW, I was in a gun store this week and a mini-UZI was for sale---for $12,000!

 

[Geronimo45]

A UZI? In evil-gun-free New Jersey?

Probably a Tec-9, if that.

 

[Picard]

I bet it was some sort of Mac 10 clone or something, like what was used in Alton, IL during the backyard gangster shootout a couple of days ago.

Nowadays, people think all SMG's are Uzi's.

 

[boredelmo]

Hey loneviking....

You referring to a full-auto uzi or the clones?

Pretty sure the one in the gunfight was just a clone.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Even the clones are too expensive for all but the most wealthy and successful pimps and/or "thugz" who engage in lucrative street vending services.

Truly, a "gangsta" can accrue some serious and "mad props" by wielding such a "gat," to convince his fellow businessmen that he is not merely "play pimping," like all the others who merely "front."

Word.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[p2000sk]

It would be interesting to know if the weapon was lawfully posessed.

 

[Valkman]

The suckers jam like crazy with anything other than Israeli ammo.

You're joking, right? My Vector Uzi shoots everything except flat nose bullets, which I just found out. I've seen many Uzi's fired on full auto, including mine, and they don't jam on non-Isreali ammo. And my full size is worth about $7k.

 

[rocinante]

Probably a Tec-9, if that.

I second that. Who knows what it was given reporters get excited about long pointy bullets.

 

[siglite]

I ran all kinds of stuff through a friend's NFA uzi. We couldn't seem to MAKE that thing jam up. I can't remember how much ammo we blew through it. I know my thumbs were bleeding from loading 32 rounds mags. It was a real mixed bag of ammo. We just went to the local shop and bought them completely out of stock on all the 9mm they had. (This friend is... well... wealthy. Very.) I mean everything. Ball 115 gr... high end defensive stuff... 115, 124, 147 ... I mean, whatever they had. All of it.

Nothing jammed.

That was a fun day.

 

[ants]

According to the video on WCBSTV news, it was honest to gosh full-auto machine gun fire, not semi-auto clones. Go watch the clip and see how it was described. One senior citizen refers to the weapons as, "...big guns. I don't know where they get such big guns."

Also:
"I know both of them both. Both of them are generally good guys. I don't know what happened," is the actual quote of the young man who was interviewed. The transcripted version is rather poor.

This is probably another case wherein we will never know the real facts due to exceptionally poor reporting.

 

[loneviking]

I guess my info is dated. The only Uzi's that I would call an UZI are the guns manufactured by the Israelis. And the UZI's I'm talking about were full auto.

I'd be curious to see how the clones solved the jamming problem. The Israeli UZI has a firing block with a floating firing pin within the block. When the block slams down into the barrel end of the receiver, the firing pin also slams forward hitting the primer. Very effective system, but you had to have tough primers to take all of the slamming around. Very accurate guns with minimal recoil, and sights pre-sighted in at 100 and 200 meters. I wish I would have kept one....