reload .45 ACP?

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mike_mccue

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I have been collecting brass and want to order some reloading tools/supplies and learn to reload .45 ACP.

I want to get the new Lee Classic 4 hole turret press and a set of .45 ACP Lee Deluxe pistols dies. I would have started with the Lee Deluxe Turret Press kit but would rather try the new press.

I may get the remainder of the parts offered in the Lee Deluxe Turret Press kit or try to select better items at your suggestion.

A Big question I have as a beginner is about the need to trim the cases when reloading .45 ACP. I am gathering from reading that it's not a big issue with straight wall pistol ammo and so it seems that the inexpensive Lee tools will be sufficient for now. Any thoughts on this?

My other question is about powder measuring gear... whats a good setup for starters?

thanks,
mike
 
I have never ever trimmed a .45ACP. Nearly all are shorter than spec anyhow. Are you going to be loading ammo for NRA 50 yard slowfire?

Powder measure? Maybe one of the Autodisk units that sets on the press, but NOT a Lee Perfect. I had one of those and it was not very accurate.
 
thanks for the info Jim,
I want to reload the 45 for a variety of reasons:

1) I want to get more experience shooting larger quantities at 7-1/2 and 15 yds.

2) I want to learn about reloading in general

3) I want to experiment with "target" style loads

I appreciate any other input.

thanks again,
mike
 
No need to trim if thay are all the same headstamp.

Mixing headstamps is not a good idea with pistol calibers (any calibers really). You can feel the difference when you shoot it. You will see the difference with your groups too. With such a small case, small variations make a huge difference.
 
Hello Mike,
I have a Lee 4 hole turret, load .45ACP and use the Autodisk for powder measurement. It works great but it does limit your charges to the ones measured on the 4 disks. I like the Pro Autodisk (Round hopper) over the standard model (rectangular hopper) because it has a thread connection that allows you to attach to the powder charging die without spinning the whole AD assembly. If you use the standard autodisk, install the powder charging die first , then the autodisk, then the other dies. If you already have a standard autodisk, you can buy the Pro conversion for $5. The Lee reloading manual lists the autodisk grain conversions in the back so you can review them before you buy to make sure the bullet and powder you plan to use will match one of the disk measures. Finally, be careful of the Lee manual if you plan to use SWC bullets since they only list one OAL which does not work with the SWC's and Lyman lists them much shorter.
The Lee Deluxe dies are very nice, the Factory Crimp die makes a very sweet cartridge.
Good luck and welcome to the addiction.
 
I've never trimmed any straight pistol case. Trimming is for bottle necks, rifles.

Get an auto disk powder measure, SUPER way to go. I'd get the O press rather than the turret. The O press is pretty strong and will last. I'd save for a better turret later, one that's stronger built. I've been using a Lyman for 35 years. I'm sure I'd have gone through a couple of Lees in that time. You can always use the O press for sizing and other such stuff later when you get a turret. JMHO of course. The Lee will last long enough to get you into the game and more involved and knowledgable and it'd probably last until you decided to spring for a progressive, at which point might I recommend a Dillon.

Lee dies are of good quality. I have Lee, Hornady, and RCBS, all work well. I like the Lee dies for my pistol loads because I like using the auto disk powder through charger on the expander die.

I also bought a little Lee C press to use only with a Lee auto prime. I don't like the little cheesy hand tools. I wore one of 'em out rather rapidly. The auto prime used on a press will last a lot longer and it's also a lot easier on thumbs. I'd rather prime on the up stroke than downstroke as with the priming arm on the press.

DON'T put a roll crimp on the case! A Lee die, at least, will roll crimp your load if you run the bullet seating die down on it far enough. Press the nose of the loaded round into a hard surface with your thumb as hard as you can stand to. If you see the bullet seat in any farther, you need to buy a taper crimp die for the caliber and taper crimp it. The reason for this is the .45, like most auto pistol rounds, headspaces on the mouth of the case inside the barrel. If you roll crimp the front of the case, you'll have excessive head space.

Lastly, load a dummy round with no primer or powder to proper overall length. Set this dummy round aside and use it when you're setting up your bullet seating die. Put the dummy round in the press, lower the lever all the way, then back out the bullet seater and screw first the die down until it gets tight, then run the bullet seater down to the nose of the bullet. I keep a dummy round for each of my favorite loads for this purpose since I have several pet bullets for any given caliber.

Just some things off the top of my head. Get in a routine. Check all cases after the powder charge step and make sure the powder levels look the same in all of 'em. Check the primer of each case as you prime it by running your finger over it. Make sure you don't have any primers protruding from the case any (known as a high primer).

I could probably go on, but this is all the little stuff I've figured out the hard way in some cases over the years.

Oh, btw, don't go by that goofy chart on powder charge you get with the auto disk powder measure. Get a scale and weigh the charge you are about to use. The chart is usually off. It'll stay the same, just that the chart doesn't give correct charges in my experience. Once I get a load and charge weight I like and determine I'll keep it (haven't developed anything in a while) I write it down in my log. Keep good notes and note the bushing you are using for the charge weight. When you set up for that load again, all you have to do is go to the bushing size on your auto disk (I also have the Pro version). You won't have to weigh anything. I do check new powder once just to make sure it's not different from the previous batch, but that's it.
 
some do some don't

I have never trimmed any pistol case. All I load are straight wall. I have shot thousands...& all are loaded until evident case failure of some sort. I shoot a quality 1911 & my loads & pistol are more accurate than I am at 25 yds. shoot a buuuunch untrimmed & then trim 100 & see if you think it makes a difference. My guess is you will never trim another.
 
Thanks very much for the info.

I will have to get the tools and try a few loads before I really understand the way the Lee die does the roll crimp and how I can use the Die but not apply the crimp.


mike
 
I have to go with the don't trim group, I did a little experment once with both a .45 ACP and a .357 Magnum. I completely uniformed five rounds of each, uniformed the primer pockets, trimmed to length, deburred the flash holes, weighed each powder charge, weighed the bullets. Then I took five different case head stamps, ran them through my progressive press, loaded with the same bullets, primers, and powder for each caliber, the .357s were fired in a very accurate 686 S&W with a dot sight, actually the mixed head stamps and thrown powder charges shot a slightly better group than the uniformed cases!
The .45ACP was also pretty equal in group size...I don't trim any more.
 
I got into reloading .45 about a year ago. It was my first reloading experience and has been really fun and rewarding. I wanted to be able to shoot more for the same money, have higher quality ammo and more control over my loads...not to mention the ability to stockpile my own stores for ammp production in case ammo ever becomes hard to come by.

The best advice is to get a good reloading manual and read it before you buy anything. The manual will give you a good overview of how everything works and what components you do or don't need.

I bought a Lee Pro 1000 press for .45 and have been thoroughly pleased with it. It was inexpensive but well engineered and well made. I have been envious of my friend's dillon equipment, which seems indestructible it's so overbuilt, but I haven't had any problems at all with my low budget little set up and saved enough over the Dillon press to buy components for 2000 rds of .45.

I started with the autodisk powder measure, but soon replaced it with the Adjustable Charge Bar (http://www.leeprecision.com/html/catalog/powhan1.html) because it gives more precise control over amounts of powder. I can use this to meter .1 gr increments...which is helpful when dealing with loads in the 5.0gr range.

Personally, I don't see the benefit or need of using a 4 station press on .45 ammo. Since they're headspaced off the case neck, there's no real need to crimp. You'll probably be faster with a progressive press.

Whatever you do, just set up your bench with a light over it and look down into each case before seating the bullet. Make sure there is one (and only one) charge of powder there and you'll never have a squib or overcharge. .45 is a really easy round to reload and you'll have a lot of fun.

Good luck!
 
I have been loading the 45 ACP for many moons. It is a pussy cat to reload!
I have never trimmed 45ACP brass, and I see no practical reason to do so. I do seperate brass for my own purposes. I use Win and Fed headstamped brass for my 625's. This is all moon clipped ammo.

For the USP I use mixed brass. I do not see any accuracy gains with headstamp sorted brass. The two USP's are very accurate 45's!

When starting reloading a fellow needs to learn the basics before moving onto progressive operations. I drank the blue kool aid a long time ago!
 
Count me among those that say any trimming of handgun cases is not only not necessary, but a waste of time. That is my own opinion of course but since I started loading in 85, I've loaded 15,133 rounds of the ACP (Yep, I keep track) and some of those cases 8 or 9 times. Have never needed to trim. BTW, until I got a progressive about 3 years ago, they were loaded on a Lee Turret press. I finally just put it in a travel box and upgraded to the new Classic Turret. It's a very nice pess.
 
I load thousands of .45 (and 44 & 357) on my Lee Turret. On the .45, I've never trimmed cases. Ever. They feed perfectly in our Ruger and Kimber, and are very accurate rounds. Mixed headstamps, too.
 
If you haven't purchased yet check factory sales reloading. Im at work so i dont have the url but they only sell lee equipment and at factory direct pricing. I have never trimmed my .45 brass. and all shoot well. even with mixed head stamps.
 
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