Tom Fury
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Wanting to use early 4513 mags in CS 45. Compatible? fit flush to top of mag pad? 4513 cut out grip work on CS-45 or is frame shorter?
Cheers, J
Cheers, J
S&W 6 round mags for CS-45 and 4513 compatible?
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fastbolt
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Something to probably consider is that the CS45 magazines are unique to the CS45.
They have the same 6-rd capacity as the original 4513TSW magazines, and use the same mag body, but they differ in that the engineers determined that more violent recoil of the CS45 required another set of machined indentations in the area of the magazine lips in order to prevent the top round from being displaced under recoil.
These additional indentations make for some occasional difficulties when loading or unloading magazines, granted, but seem to do the job during actual live fire.
FWIW, I've tried using my 6-rd TSW magazines in my CS45 and I've experienced some occasional feeding problems caused by the top round being displaced forward under the lips during recoil, and I've even had the last round (when the magazine spring is at its least amount of tension) jump out from under the lips and be ejected during the recoil of the next-to-the-last round being fired.
I only use CS45 magazines in my CS45, myself.
Here's a thumbnail image of a 4513TSW magazine alongside a CS45 magazine. The CS45 magazine is on the right, and you can see the extra set of indentations which exert additional pressure on the round.
They have the same 6-rd capacity as the original 4513TSW magazines, and use the same mag body, but they differ in that the engineers determined that more violent recoil of the CS45 required another set of machined indentations in the area of the magazine lips in order to prevent the top round from being displaced under recoil.
These additional indentations make for some occasional difficulties when loading or unloading magazines, granted, but seem to do the job during actual live fire.
FWIW, I've tried using my 6-rd TSW magazines in my CS45 and I've experienced some occasional feeding problems caused by the top round being displaced forward under the lips during recoil, and I've even had the last round (when the magazine spring is at its least amount of tension) jump out from under the lips and be ejected during the recoil of the next-to-the-last round being fired.
I only use CS45 magazines in my CS45, myself.
Here's a thumbnail image of a 4513TSW magazine alongside a CS45 magazine. The CS45 magazine is on the right, and you can see the extra set of indentations which exert additional pressure on the round.
Tom Fury
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Thanks Fastbolt! Now about the grips?
Exactly what I needed to know! The CS I'm buying comes with 3 CS mags, so I'm covered; they seem to pop up on GB pretty frequently too.
Now then;
I have seen a couple of pix floating around the net of CS-45's with apparently cut down to fit S&W straightback grips; one was cut level at the bottom of the frame and used the CS mag (a la 4516) and another appeared to have had a set of early 4513 grips (with cut out) on and used the more rounded 4513 mag base; trying to figure out if I can just swap out a set of 4513 grips for the Hogues on the CS; would that work or is the CS frame shorter? The cut down ones appear to be modified 4516 or 06 grips with the pin hole relocated to suit. I am working out of the country and can't check it myself, Thanks.
TF
Exactly what I needed to know! The CS I'm buying comes with 3 CS mags, so I'm covered; they seem to pop up on GB pretty frequently too.
Now then;
I have seen a couple of pix floating around the net of CS-45's with apparently cut down to fit S&W straightback grips; one was cut level at the bottom of the frame and used the CS mag (a la 4516) and another appeared to have had a set of early 4513 grips (with cut out) on and used the more rounded 4513 mag base; trying to figure out if I can just swap out a set of 4513 grips for the Hogues on the CS; would that work or is the CS frame shorter? The cut down ones appear to be modified 4516 or 06 grips with the pin hole relocated to suit. I am working out of the country and can't check it myself, Thanks.
TF
Tom Fury
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answering my own question...
The frame of the CS45 is the same length as the 4513 (Same length mag tube) but the heel on the 13 is where the difference is.
Heel is as long as a 16 grip is (Thus the late 4513's).This means the 4513 grip would have to have the heel sliced off level with the bottom of the CS frame and the pin hole recut to work. That works out the short one.
The longer 4513 style grips with a heel on the CS45 I've seen must have been made out of a 4516 or 06 grip, cut down and with the pin hole again relocated and with a 4513 round basepad on the CS45 mag, I think.
I like the skinny approach, willing to live with it for flatness sake.
Cheers, TF
The frame of the CS45 is the same length as the 4513 (Same length mag tube) but the heel on the 13 is where the difference is.
Heel is as long as a 16 grip is (Thus the late 4513's).This means the 4513 grip would have to have the heel sliced off level with the bottom of the CS frame and the pin hole recut to work. That works out the short one.
The longer 4513 style grips with a heel on the CS45 I've seen must have been made out of a 4516 or 06 grip, cut down and with the pin hole again relocated and with a 4513 round basepad on the CS45 mag, I think.
I like the skinny approach, willing to live with it for flatness sake.
Cheers, TF
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