SOG Episode Gator Bang Stick VS Taurus Judge
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Cop Bob
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The Beauty of a bang stick as a killer is that it ALWAYS delivers a contact wound...
That means that not only are you pumping lead into the victim, but one helluva lot of rapidly expanding gasses... and it is those gasses alone that kill just as, if not more effectively as a bullet.
Ask Bruce Lee's son, Brandon.. he was killed on a movie set, from a gut shot with a blank pistol.
As far as being NFA, I'm not sure, it is certainly a short barreled, but it is not designed as a shoulder fired weapon, it is not really a handgun in the traditional sense, I dunno... Curios firearm maybe... got me.. I have seen them offered in Dive Shops, and they darn sure didn't have an FFL .... hummm...
That means that not only are you pumping lead into the victim, but one helluva lot of rapidly expanding gasses... and it is those gasses alone that kill just as, if not more effectively as a bullet.
Ask Bruce Lee's son, Brandon.. he was killed on a movie set, from a gut shot with a blank pistol.
As far as being NFA, I'm not sure, it is certainly a short barreled, but it is not designed as a shoulder fired weapon, it is not really a handgun in the traditional sense, I dunno... Curios firearm maybe... got me.. I have seen them offered in Dive Shops, and they darn sure didn't have an FFL .... hummm...
Jim Watson
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It looked awkward to handle with the old pengun type striker.
I would rather have a pistol configuration single shot. It could be rifled as a combo .45-410 like a Judge for legality. Single shot operation would cost less for a limited purpose gun and would confine the gases behind the shot unlike a revolver.
I think there were some very inexpensive guns of the type made at one time.
I would rather have a pistol configuration single shot. It could be rifled as a combo .45-410 like a Judge for legality. Single shot operation would cost less for a limited purpose gun and would confine the gases behind the shot unlike a revolver.
I think there were some very inexpensive guns of the type made at one time.
dprice3844444
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bangs sticks are not concidered a firearm because there is no trigger
Their hand held contraption seemed to use the cocking knob as a trigger on it as the cocking lever was released as it was rotated from the safe to the firing position and allowed to slip off the notch and then strike the cartridge.
Bang sticks I think are precocked and then firing pin is released upon striking the sharks body with the end of the stick.
What they made was seemed than a large version of a PEN GUN that was made in the 60's and early 70's in the form of a tear gas or 22lr-38spl cartridge.
I know the BAFT classifies pen guns as a firearm, so a larger version of the same item would be classified the same.
If it had a smooth bore barrel and is classified a firearm, then you would think its a short barrelled shot gun.
As for blank cartridges they are loaded to extreme pressures in order to produce the loud bang from pushing out only a small piece of paper. If you loaded a cartridge with blank powder and put a bullet in the brass. The resulting pressure would be so high that it would blow up the gun.
Bruce Lee's son is one that died and their was another a CBS spy/model show during the 80's called cover up that the male star put a pistol to his head loaded with blanks and pulled the trigger. He died instantly as the high pressure blow a round piece of his skull right thru into the brain.
Bang sticks I think are precocked and then firing pin is released upon striking the sharks body with the end of the stick.
What they made was seemed than a large version of a PEN GUN that was made in the 60's and early 70's in the form of a tear gas or 22lr-38spl cartridge.
I know the BAFT classifies pen guns as a firearm, so a larger version of the same item would be classified the same.
If it had a smooth bore barrel and is classified a firearm, then you would think its a short barrelled shot gun.
As for blank cartridges they are loaded to extreme pressures in order to produce the loud bang from pushing out only a small piece of paper. If you loaded a cartridge with blank powder and put a bullet in the brass. The resulting pressure would be so high that it would blow up the gun.
Bruce Lee's son is one that died and their was another a CBS spy/model show during the 80's called cover up that the male star put a pistol to his head loaded with blanks and pulled the trigger. He died instantly as the high pressure blow a round piece of his skull right thru into the brain.
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Cop Bob
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"dprice3844444 bangs sticks are not concidered a firearm because there is no trigger "
Did not know that about the trigger classification.. thanks...
xr1200 Their hand held contraption seemed to use the cocking knob as a trigger on it as the cocking lever was released as it was rotated from the safe to the firing position and allowed to slip off the notch and then strike the cartridge.
Bang sticks I think are precocked and then firing pin is released upon striking the sharks body with the end of the stick.
What they made was seemed than a large version of a PEN GUN that was made in the 60's and early 70's in the form of a tear gas or 22lr-38spl cartridge.
I know the BAFT classifies pen guns as a firearm, so a larger version of the same item would be classified the same.
If it had a smooth bore barrel and is classified a firearm, then you would think its a short barrelled shot gun.
As for blank cartridges they are loaded to extreme pressures in order to produce the loud bang from pushing out only a small piece of paper. If you loaded a cartridge with blank powder and put a bullet in the brass. The resulting pressure would be so high that it would blow up the gun.
Bruce Lee's son is one that died and their was another a CBS spy/model show during the 80's called cover up that the male star put a pistol to his head loaded with blanks and pulled the trigger. He died instantly as the high pressure blow a round piece of his skull right thru into the brain.
All true... however the addition of the hot gasses from a contact wound, from any round, it's lethality is multiplied exponentially... Gasses are nasty...
as far a the Lee death, I thought it was a gut shot, I stand corrected...thank you... but no doubt it was the gasses that did the deed.
In my SCUBA Diving days I owned a Bang stick, and it was made of Stainless Steel and it was pre-cocked and did release upon impact. It had a lynch pen for a safety, that was pulled just before deployment... and it was a NASTY weapon in 38-357.. it was offered in just about every caliber imaginable.. from 22lr up to 45-70 as well as .410,.20 and 12ga.. they were ALL smooth bore.. what little there was of it..
"dprice3844444 bangs sticks are not concidered a firearm because there is no trigger "
Did not know that about the trigger classification.. thanks...
xr1200 Their hand held contraption seemed to use the cocking knob as a trigger on it as the cocking lever was released as it was rotated from the safe to the firing position and allowed to slip off the notch and then strike the cartridge.
Bang sticks I think are precocked and then firing pin is released upon striking the sharks body with the end of the stick.
What they made was seemed than a large version of a PEN GUN that was made in the 60's and early 70's in the form of a tear gas or 22lr-38spl cartridge.
I know the BAFT classifies pen guns as a firearm, so a larger version of the same item would be classified the same.
If it had a smooth bore barrel and is classified a firearm, then you would think its a short barrelled shot gun.
As for blank cartridges they are loaded to extreme pressures in order to produce the loud bang from pushing out only a small piece of paper. If you loaded a cartridge with blank powder and put a bullet in the brass. The resulting pressure would be so high that it would blow up the gun.
Bruce Lee's son is one that died and their was another a CBS spy/model show during the 80's called cover up that the male star put a pistol to his head loaded with blanks and pulled the trigger. He died instantly as the high pressure blow a round piece of his skull right thru into the brain.
All true... however the addition of the hot gasses from a contact wound, from any round, it's lethality is multiplied exponentially... Gasses are nasty...
as far a the Lee death, I thought it was a gut shot, I stand corrected...thank you... but no doubt it was the gasses that did the deed.
In my SCUBA Diving days I owned a Bang stick, and it was made of Stainless Steel and it was pre-cocked and did release upon impact. It had a lynch pen for a safety, that was pulled just before deployment... and it was a NASTY weapon in 38-357.. it was offered in just about every caliber imaginable.. from 22lr up to 45-70 as well as .410,.20 and 12ga.. they were ALL smooth bore.. what little there was of it..
I thought it was because the "weapon master" working on that movie (The Crow) decided to make his own dummy rounds from real cartridges but left the primers in
; at some point somebody fired the gun, which then lodged the bullet in the barrel, and then the gun was reloaded with blanks and fired at Lee from a distance, resulting in a fatal bullet wound.I'm not saying that the gases alone wouldn't do considerable, even fatal, damage when pressed in close, but we do need the right examples.
Yes, that would be Jon-Erik Hexum, better known to some as the swashbuckling Phineas Bogg on the show Voyagers!. From what I've heard and read here and there, he got bored between shots (movie camera shots), pretended to play Russian Roulette with a blank in order to entertain and/or show off to the cast and crew, pressed the muzzle against his temple, and pulled the trigger.
His injuries were severe--a piece of his skull of the same diameter as the muzzle was driven through his brain, in addition to his brain getting charred by the gas--and he was declared brain-dead about a week later.
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bcp280z
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In reply to Jim, look up Super Commanche, good gun for around $200, but the 45 isn't worth anything.
Has anyone ever tryed firing a "bang stick" out of the water?
Has anyone ever tryed firing a "bang stick" out of the water?
dprice3844444
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the bang stick is screwed onto a pole or speer shaft.the firing pin is fixed at the bottom.the round is fitted into a barrel that has 2 o rings on the outside of it.this fits into the tube part containing the firing pin.a circlip like the kind used on class 3 trailer hitches is placed into the hole that is drilled crossways accros the bottom of the firing pin tube,which prevents accidental discharge till ready
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerhead
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Grousefeather
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Cant see why they opted for a bang stick that short. If I was messing with gator's, I would want one with a bit longer shaft than the one they made. Keep your hands on longer with a bit longer stick.
Cant see why they opted for a bang stick that short. If I was messing with gator's, I would want one with a bit longer shaft than the one they made. Keep your hands on longer with a bit longer stick.
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i thought about this when i saw the show the bang stick was 300bucks
im sure you could find a used judge near that price
im sure you could find a used judge near that price
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