Uncle Mike
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Hehehehehehe! I know what you mean!
Stainless or blued barrel
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Hehehehehehe! I know what you mean!
chains1240
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I found that hole when there was no snow on the ground. Thought "wonder if that is a fox hole?" Walking to the box blind after a few days of heavy snow fall I fell in the hole. Not toe first ohhhhhhhhhhhh no no. Heal first. Stiffened up my right leg and I fell over like a tree. What are the chances of that happening? To me pretty good.
FWIW, I prefer blue steel and have hunted in sleet and rain that on a couple occasions lasted for days while afield. Never had any problems, given reasonable care. Also, the notion that SS is impervious to rust and requires no upkeep is a myth IME.
Readyrod
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I found the only hole in a 80 acre field.
I did that with the tractor once. It was an old drainage system. Damn things are like magnets.
I did that with the tractor once. It was an old drainage system. Damn things are like magnets.
SpryNotI
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I was planning to get a Savage in the Weather Warrior series. As I am very new to all this I am also very confused as to the good, bad or indifferent aspects of getting the rifle with a hinged floor plate, a detachable box or an internal box. I'd appreciate some information/opinions.
If it helps any the rifle will be used for night hunting hogs from a stand in Texas. I'm leaning towards a 7mm-08 although a .308 is also up for consideration.
If it helps any the rifle will be used for night hunting hogs from a stand in Texas. I'm leaning towards a 7mm-08 although a .308 is also up for consideration.
chains1240
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SprynotI, In my quest for a rifle I also researched the pros and cons of magazines, hinged floor plates, and blind box type. After about three days of reading I came to the conclusion it is personal preference. Blind you load and unload from the top, hinged you can dump your rounds and unload one, magazine is well a magazine. Some magazines do not sit flush. Someone with personal experience can chime in. I only know from what I have read. I have used a Model 110 with a blind mag, a Ruger 10/22 with magazine, and an M-16 with a magazine.
Blind magazine is harder to get to, when cleaning. I wouldn't want one for that reason. With a hinged floorplate, you can open up the action from the bottom and the top, which is a lot nicer IMO, especially if you use something like foaming bore cleaner.
A detachable magazine doesn't offer much utility in a centerfire bolt gun IMO, unless you hunt somewhere that requires you to unload a lot when crossing roads, etc. Then it can be nice to have. Otherwise, I see it as needless complexity in a rifle meant to be simple.
Hinged floorplates, here. Big rounds are easy to handle by hand. I can certainly see the advantages of a detachable mag with a .22LR or even, perhaps, a .223.
A detachable magazine doesn't offer much utility in a centerfire bolt gun IMO, unless you hunt somewhere that requires you to unload a lot when crossing roads, etc. Then it can be nice to have. Otherwise, I see it as needless complexity in a rifle meant to be simple.
Hinged floorplates, here. Big rounds are easy to handle by hand. I can certainly see the advantages of a detachable mag with a .22LR or even, perhaps, a .223.
Wanta B
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Generally I find myself on the fence with detachable or floorplate magazines.For game hunting,most definately floorplate.
Uncle Mike
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Blind Magazine....Less costly than other magazine types. Stock is not inletted for bottom metal frame.
Load rounds into magazine one by one through the top of the action, unload the same way via cycling the rounds through the action with the bolt. Adds a level of caution as to safety while unloading rifle.
Magazine difficult to clean, action must be taken out of stock to access magazine.
Hinged Floorplate.....A bit more expensive to manufacture as this design utilizes a bottom metal magazine frame. Stock is inletted for magazine bottom metal. Load rounds into magazine one by one through top of action. Unload by opening hinged floorplate allowing ammunition to 'dump' out of bottom of magazine into your hand, cycle remaining round that is in chamber out of chamber via cycling the bolt.
Detachable Magazine....Most costly to manufacture as this design utilizes both bottom metal magazine frame and the detachable magazines themselves.
Stock is inletted as the hinged floorplate model. Load ammo into detachable magazine itself, while magazine in out of the rifle. Rifle may be topped off with fresh/additional rounds in the same way as the other type of magazines, through the top of action. Unload rifle by dropping loaded detachable magazine out of bottom of receiver into your hand. Cycle remaining round out of chamber via cycling the bolt.
The advantages of detachable magazines are....You can carry a loaded spare mag. with you, making reloads extremely fast. Rounds are not dumped loose, into your sweaty or wet hands during the unloading phase. Quieter to carry, no shells clinking around. As with the hinged floorplate, makes cleaning the action much easier!
Much easier to load/unload rifle when your hands/fingertips are cold! By having an additional spare magazine with you, you have cut your odds by 50% of tossing the hunt do to magazine spring/follower failure.
Load rounds into magazine one by one through the top of the action, unload the same way via cycling the rounds through the action with the bolt. Adds a level of caution as to safety while unloading rifle.
Magazine difficult to clean, action must be taken out of stock to access magazine.
Hinged Floorplate.....A bit more expensive to manufacture as this design utilizes a bottom metal magazine frame. Stock is inletted for magazine bottom metal. Load rounds into magazine one by one through top of action. Unload by opening hinged floorplate allowing ammunition to 'dump' out of bottom of magazine into your hand, cycle remaining round that is in chamber out of chamber via cycling the bolt.
Detachable Magazine....Most costly to manufacture as this design utilizes both bottom metal magazine frame and the detachable magazines themselves.
Stock is inletted as the hinged floorplate model. Load ammo into detachable magazine itself, while magazine in out of the rifle. Rifle may be topped off with fresh/additional rounds in the same way as the other type of magazines, through the top of action. Unload rifle by dropping loaded detachable magazine out of bottom of receiver into your hand. Cycle remaining round out of chamber via cycling the bolt.
The advantages of detachable magazines are....You can carry a loaded spare mag. with you, making reloads extremely fast. Rounds are not dumped loose, into your sweaty or wet hands during the unloading phase. Quieter to carry, no shells clinking around. As with the hinged floorplate, makes cleaning the action much easier!
Much easier to load/unload rifle when your hands/fingertips are cold! By having an additional spare magazine with you, you have cut your odds by 50% of tossing the hunt do to magazine spring/follower failure.
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Uncle Mike
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No, I don't!
I was not even thinking of the Tikka when I wrote that...I try not to think of the Tikka any more than necessary!
Jus kiddin'. I like the Ticking Tikkas!
Clipper
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I've never met someone who had a hunt ruined by their magazine...Guess I need to get out more. Even if my mag did freeze up, I'd simply single load and carry on...
Uncle Mike
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Me neither, but.....
I've always read, and it makes more sense to me, that stainless barrels last longer between chamberings than carbon steel ones.
http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/barrel_making/details_of_accuracy.htm
That's a barrel maker's take on it.
http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/barrel_making/details_of_accuracy.htm
That's a barrel maker's take on it.
SpryNotI
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the lesson on hinged floor plates and internal/external mags. I've settled on the Savage Arms Weather Warrior 16FCSS in 7mm-08 Rem with detachable box. (I was a little surprized that more of the Weather Warrior Series did not come in the 7mm-08).
I'm sure I'll have more questions but those will be in a new thread.
Thanks again.
I'm sure I'll have more questions but those will be in a new thread.
Thanks again.
chains1240
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Savage Weather Warrior 16FHSS with hinged floor plate does come in 7mm-08 even though it is not listed on their website. I had the LGS look into it for me. I believe the model number is ACU-17964.
Oldcoyote
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Z Michigan
Corrosion-X is good stuff. It protected my blued steel .375 while hunting in coastal Alaska. The guides all had stainless steel rifles and I would too if hunting there often. The saltwater is very unkind.
Corrosion-X is good stuff. It protected my blued steel .375 while hunting in coastal Alaska. The guides all had stainless steel rifles and I would too if hunting there often. The saltwater is very unkind.
Uncle Mike
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So you got the 7mm-08 Savage 16...
Word.....
Savage has switched their barrels for the 7mm-08 from a 1:9.250" twist to a, my eyes are tearing up, to a 1:11.50" twist!
Why Gracie...why!?!?
Anyway, some of our customers are complaining about really slow 140gr loads not shooting for beans! Seems as though if you speed up the bullet it is helping some...I don't really know for sure?
They say the 120gr bullets are doing fine...
I have not delved into this monster as of yet, but plan to....so I cannot offer any substantiated advice other than what some of the clientele have said.
I hope it's just knee jerk bitchin' due to the twist switch, but......who knows!
Word.....
Savage has switched their barrels for the 7mm-08 from a 1:9.250" twist to a, my eyes are tearing up, to a 1:11.50" twist!
Why Gracie...why!?!?
Anyway, some of our customers are complaining about really slow 140gr loads not shooting for beans! Seems as though if you speed up the bullet it is helping some...I don't really know for sure?
They say the 120gr bullets are doing fine...
I have not delved into this monster as of yet, but plan to....so I cannot offer any substantiated advice other than what some of the clientele have said.
I hope it's just knee jerk bitchin' due to the twist switch, but......who knows!
chains1240
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Uncle mike, I have not purchased one yet. And if the twist of the barrel has been changed and adversely affects the 140 grain bullet I may have to rething my rifle or caliber choice.
Uncle Mike
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If you investigate, some of the bench guys use a 1:11.50" twist with the 7mm-08.
I have not shot one of the new slower twist Savages' yet, but I'm sure I'll be setting up one in the near future for a customer, so I'll let you know.
Do some research on it, say, over at 6mmbr.com site.
We had a guy buy one of the new ones, he says that the slower twist did "just as good as my older gun", so...
I would definitely look into it with some research before abandoning the caliber...or Remington is using the 1:9.250" twist in the 7mm-08.
I have not shot one of the new slower twist Savages' yet, but I'm sure I'll be setting up one in the near future for a customer, so I'll let you know.
Do some research on it, say, over at 6mmbr.com site.
We had a guy buy one of the new ones, he says that the slower twist did "just as good as my older gun", so...
I would definitely look into it with some research before abandoning the caliber...or Remington is using the 1:9.250" twist in the 7mm-08.
chains1240
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Uncle Mike, I see now on Savage's web site they show the 7mm-08 with the slower twist. I will have to check into this further. If it does cause performance problems maybe I will still get the weather warrior but in .308. I like the Remington SPS stainless but I have heard some not so good things about the fit and finish. Or so I recall.
Uncle Mike
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Yeah, I'm going to look into the whole 1:11.5" thing.
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