the AK74 plan

[Commissar Gribb]

ok here's my plan for the AK 74 kit.

the key here is tactical- but not borg-ified. I want to keep some of the original commie flavor intact.

Receiver- Ohio Ord. Works receiver (5.45 x 39)

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Tantal AK74 parts kit (comes with bipod and night sights for backup)

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leapers receiver cover/scope mount

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leapers swatforce 40mm red dot sight

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bulgie triangular folding stock from another kit + rubber pad

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a bunch of typical orange 30 round bakelite mags


I'm not sure about the leapers mount though- I may go with an ULTIMAK instead.

the upside to this setup is I have all the parts. Just need to assemble.

 

[KriegHund]

Im concerned with that rubber pad. Its held on by one strap. Doesnt seem very stable, and it merely another part to get caught on something.

 

[Commissar Gribb]

I have it attached to the stock now and it seems very solid (the pad fits snugly on the stock and the strap is very tight) however I wont pretend to know how well it stays on when being thrown around.

after additional examination of the buttstock, I dont see it going anywhere. It's on there pretty good. unless the 2 layer cowhide strap gives, I think it'll be fine.

 

[RevDisk]

Tantal AK74 parts kit (comes with bipod and night sights for backup)

Bipod? On a 74 ?

 

[KriegHund]

Ah tht makes a bit more sense.

 

[Gun Wielding Maniac]

Question... why are you going to use a differant folding stock on the Tantal then the one that comes with it? It folds to the right side, it gives a short length of pull, giving you plenty of room to add on a butt-pad or give your room for a tactical vest and body armor without hurting your cheek weld. Also, why not use a side rail type scope mount, rather then the top cover mount? You'll lose your zero with the top-cover mount every time you take it down for cleaning. The side rail allows you to take off the mount and put it on without any loss of zero... and you can still use the iron sights.

 

[clange]

I want to keep some of the original commie flavor intact.

Well, here are my drastic suggestions.

-Ditch the dust cover mount, they dont work well anyway.
-Go with an optics rail and AK pattern red dot. The kobra is a good choice.
-Use the folding stock that came with the tantal kit. Its whats supposed to be on there anyway. Sell the triangle folder to help pay for the optic, or use it on something else.

This setup would have the correct folder for the rifle, AK pattern optics that hold zero and look better, and the folding stock could still fold without removing optics. It would also be an easier build, without cutting a few extra holes in the receiver.

 

[Commissar Gribb]

Bipod? On a 74 ?

it does sound weird- but that was listed as part of the kit.

Question... why are you going to use a differant folding stock on the Tantal then the one that comes with it?

the wire one looks less comfy but lighter- would make a nice stock for my shorty AKS74U if I ever get that finished. The triangular one looks way better to me and like it would work better than a wire type.

It folds to the right side, it gives a short length of pull, giving you plenty of room to add on a butt-pad or give your room for a tactical vest and body armor without hurting your cheek weld.

the triangular stock is a left folder- my tac vest Is like the kind used by the USAF security forces right now. as far as body armor? try a level II vest that never found it's way back after a deployment. Not much to get in the way.

Also, why not use a side rail type scope mount, rather then the top cover mount? You'll lose your zero with the top-cover mount every time you take it down for cleaning. The side rail allows you to take off the mount and put it on without any loss of zero... and you can still use the iron sights.

now that you mention it, this does sound like a better idea.

-Ditch the dust cover mount, they dont work well anyway.

agreed- maybe I'll see if this guy I know will try to sell it at a gun show for me.

-Go with an optics rail and AK pattern red dot. The kobra is a good choice.

AK pattern red dot? how will this work better than the one I have now?

-Use the folding stock that came with the tantal kit. Its whats supposed to be on there anyway. Sell the triangle folder to help pay for the optic, or use it on something else.

the one that came with is going on a different rifle.

 

[KriegHund]

And remember to post pics.

 

[clange]

now that you mention it, this does sound like a better idea.

If you use the triangle folder with an optics rail, you'll have to remove the optic to fold the stock. This may or may not be an issue to you, but thats why i listed the tantal folder folding right as a 'plus' if you do go with a rail.

AK pattern red dot? how will this work better than the one I have now?

It may not work better at all. It would look better (subjective) and be more authentic, plus most of them come with a built in mount so if you decided to use an optics rail you wouldnt need a mount.

A ultimak with a decent red dot would work just as well, i just like stuff to be authentic, so i'm suggesting things that would 1) be relatively authentic and 2) still work very well.

If you're set on using the triangle style, thats cool. I have both styles on my AKs, both of which have optics rails and red dots, and the triangle kind is better for shooting, it gives a better cheekweld. But, my romanian wire folder (like the tantal) will fold without removing the red dot.

Theres good and bad about both.

Edit: "the wire one looks less comfy but lighter- would make a nice stock for my shorty AKS74U if I ever get that finished. The triangular one looks way better to me and like it would work better than a wire type."

So you took the triangle from a AKS-74U kit and you may build that up with the tantal stock? Make a real krink and a real tantal, leave the stocks where they're supposed to be. My .02.

 

[Commissar Gribb]

ack! well- I haven't done much work on either yet. k-ar is permanently out of 5.56mm AKS74U front barrel trunnion blocks. I'll need to save up for a milled block receiver before THAT project goes anywhere. If you know where they sell these- feel free to let me know


http://www.pbase.com/commissargribb/image/38042580

the kit's really nice though! I suppose it'll start out as a pistol and then when I get a chance I'll do the paperwork/ pay the tax to make it into a SBR. I may end up having to get a new stock for it anyhow since it'll be on a milled receiver. I've actually been looking at an underfolder since they fold up with the front handguard.


now that I mention it, It always did seem funny that they would send me no trunnion in the kit but at the same time send me a stock for a modified stamped receiver.

but enough about that.

 

[clange]

I have no idea where you can find a trunnion for it. That sucks that it didnt come with one.

I dont even know how the build would work with a milled receiver, but i do know they're very expensive. Stamped is the way to go if possible.

Go to the ak47.net forum, in the AK general discussion forum and ask them any questions you got. They'll hook you up.

 

[Commissar Gribb]

I dont even know how the build would work with a milled receiver, but i do know they're very expensive. Stamped is the way to go if possible.

my thoughts exactly- though apparently arsenal makes AK stubbys in milled receivers with underfolders.

Go to the ak47.net forum, in the AK general discussion forum and ask them any questions you got. They'll hook you up.

I've been on there before- they seem to know quite a bit.

 

[another48hrs]

I just called k-var today, to try and order a 5.56 krinkov barrel they said they had last week, but said they were out (hmmm I wonder if this has anything to do with the barrel scare ). But I also asked about the 5.56 trunnion and the person on the phone, Bob, said they would eventually get them in. At least they are not permanently gone, but its going to take a blue moon to get them. He also mentioned that gunsmiths usually take another trunnion from a different calibre rifle and change the feed ramp for it, that maybe what you might want to do.

I too have parts that I am thinking about putting together, a 5.56 krinkov and 5.56 AKMS type rifle. Does anybody know where I can find a Krinkov gas block?

I say Commissar Gribb if you want to put the tantal stock on the krinkov, do it. It'll look exactly like the Polish onyx.

Put on these handguards, they are expensive, but you'll have an original looking clone. Don't forget the polish 5.56 mag.
http://www.autoburst.net/AKSU.html

Here's a picture, hope this inspires you.

 

[Commissar Gribb]

hmmm... that's the sort of thing I was looking for...

we'll see anyhow.

He also mentioned that gunsmiths usually take another trunnion from a different calibre rifle and change the feed ramp for it, that maybe what you might want to do.

and they told me it was the only choice was to wait.

I friggin hate k-var