SavageShooter2k
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So I would like to apologize in advance for making my first post a fairly lengthy one but I have been lurking around these boards for a while gathering info and learning as much as I can and I am finally to the point where I just need to ask this question specifically and hear your answers.
A little background to start. I have always been a gun guy, I started out a 1911 freak, then I got into ARs, then I got into precision rifles. Over the last year I have been trying to learn as much as I can about long range shooting and practice shooting my rifle as much as possible. I have a savage 11 in a B&C medalist stock, with a SWFA SS scope on it. After shooting about 600 rounds through it at this point and developing some nice hand loads I now think i know what this rfile is really capable of and I am wondering if I should stick with this rifle or go a step up to a Savage rifle designed to be more accurate out of the box like one of the model 10's in HS precision stock or a 10BA just for grins.
Now that I can shoot very consistently with my rifle I know when a miss is my fault and when it is not. So on a great day when all is right with the world I can consistently put up 1/2-3/4MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards. Lets say I shoot 5 groups. 1. is .700 2. is .599 3. is.510 4. 1.25 5. is .800. And occasionally even I will get a 1.25MOA group even when I do my part. I used to think for sure it was my fault when I had that .800 group and that surely the rifle will do 1/2 minute every time if I am perfect. But the more I shoot the more I can feel that I am doing everything right and some times its just the other variables that open up the group.
The question is how accurate is my rifle? And how accurate are those rifles out there claiming sub MOA accuracy? The internet would have me believe that since I once shot a .300" 3 shot group that my rifle is a 1/4 MOA gun or maybe I did that once on a 5 shot group, but what if every other group is .900, 1.00, or in that range. There is also always the infamous "flyer" that no one counts towards their group.
The reason I ask this is that I really do my research before purchasing a weapon and I see these claims. I am wondering are there really any true 1/2 MOA guns out there that when your ammo is right and you do your part will put up that .500" or so group. My rifle has proven to me that if I have that perfect sight picture, perfect trigger pull and follow through that I can expect anything from .400-1.25MOA even with my hand loads. So in my mind my gun is really just barely a Sub MOA gun.
Do you think I am delusional and I really am botching the shots or this what these "Sub MOA" rifles really shoot like and no one is talking about it? They are only advertising the best groups?
Sorry again for the long post but I really want your feedback, I have gained a ton of knowledge already from this board and I look forward to learning more and contributing where I can.
A little background to start. I have always been a gun guy, I started out a 1911 freak, then I got into ARs, then I got into precision rifles. Over the last year I have been trying to learn as much as I can about long range shooting and practice shooting my rifle as much as possible. I have a savage 11 in a B&C medalist stock, with a SWFA SS scope on it. After shooting about 600 rounds through it at this point and developing some nice hand loads I now think i know what this rfile is really capable of and I am wondering if I should stick with this rifle or go a step up to a Savage rifle designed to be more accurate out of the box like one of the model 10's in HS precision stock or a 10BA just for grins.
Now that I can shoot very consistently with my rifle I know when a miss is my fault and when it is not. So on a great day when all is right with the world I can consistently put up 1/2-3/4MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards. Lets say I shoot 5 groups. 1. is .700 2. is .599 3. is.510 4. 1.25 5. is .800. And occasionally even I will get a 1.25MOA group even when I do my part. I used to think for sure it was my fault when I had that .800 group and that surely the rifle will do 1/2 minute every time if I am perfect. But the more I shoot the more I can feel that I am doing everything right and some times its just the other variables that open up the group.
The question is how accurate is my rifle? And how accurate are those rifles out there claiming sub MOA accuracy? The internet would have me believe that since I once shot a .300" 3 shot group that my rifle is a 1/4 MOA gun or maybe I did that once on a 5 shot group, but what if every other group is .900, 1.00, or in that range. There is also always the infamous "flyer" that no one counts towards their group.
The reason I ask this is that I really do my research before purchasing a weapon and I see these claims. I am wondering are there really any true 1/2 MOA guns out there that when your ammo is right and you do your part will put up that .500" or so group. My rifle has proven to me that if I have that perfect sight picture, perfect trigger pull and follow through that I can expect anything from .400-1.25MOA even with my hand loads. So in my mind my gun is really just barely a Sub MOA gun.
Do you think I am delusional and I really am botching the shots or this what these "Sub MOA" rifles really shoot like and no one is talking about it? They are only advertising the best groups?
Sorry again for the long post but I really want your feedback, I have gained a ton of knowledge already from this board and I look forward to learning more and contributing where I can.