They are fun. Oh, I forgot some folks are too serious, or too busy preparing for Armageddon, or a gun fight that is so unlikely to occur it is funny, or the like to concern themselves with fun. Fun is enough reason for me to buy lots of things. Life is short.
The new GSG StG44 Rifle
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They are fun. Oh, I forgot some folks are too serious, or too busy preparing for Armageddon, or a gun fight that is so unlikely to occur it is funny, or the like to concern themselves with fun. Fun is enough reason for me to buy lots of things. Life is short.
rodinal220
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I just picked one up and its a sweet gun.Pure fun factor here. Since like many,obtaining an original is too cost prohibitive,this one make sense. The wooden case is a nice touch.It feels like a real one and is pretty close in looks,I shot an original years ago,the ATI version does a good job,and the finish is better!!
Slick design,Its like an AR15 conversion unit wrapped around a STG44 shell.The muzzle nut is not fixed,the nut itself is externally threaded,1.0mm pitch.
ATI/GSG makes 10 round mags for those in areas that have goofy laws restricting your Second Amendment rights.
Slick design,Its like an AR15 conversion unit wrapped around a STG44 shell.The muzzle nut is not fixed,the nut itself is externally threaded,1.0mm pitch.
ATI/GSG makes 10 round mags for those in areas that have goofy laws restricting your Second Amendment rights.
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MachIVshooter
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Or 7.62x39, .300 Blk.
This little gun is definitely neat, but being a .22 makes it hard for me to spend North of $500. Rimfires in that price range and above have to offer me quality, not novelty. Cool looking as the 44 may be, it's still just a plinker.
DammitBoy
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I'd love to have one, but I'm not spending over $350 on a range toy like that.
I know this may sound funny, but it is on the range toys that I DO spend my money on. My serious weapons tend to be robust, no frills affairs. KISS. I reserve tacticool for the range.
I want this STG44 but frankly, its so far down the list, it probably won't make it into my gunsafe.
I want this STG44 but frankly, its so far down the list, it probably won't make it into my gunsafe.
LOL, that is the same with me. I spent a lot more money on my M&P 15-22 plinker, slidefire stock, trigger group, and extra mags, than I have on my main two "serious" weapons combined. All that so I could have a ton of fun and actually afford to have a ton of fun (I can shoot all day with .22LR).
MilsurpShooter
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It would mainly appeal to collectors I guess. That's what sparked my interest, STG.44 that won't break the bank and won't break the bank for dies/powder brass?
sign me up.
sign me up.
DammitBoy
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Oh I'm spending my money, I just have way too many toys as it is - just ask the wifes.
Shot the STG today at the crowded outdoor range. When I pulled the rifle out of the case folks reacted like I had a pulse rifle. I limited my time with it more to function testing as I has guest shooters who I needed to attend to. I put 250 or so rounds through it with one failure to feed very early on that was not repeated. My shooting was with Federal 36 grain copper washed hollow point Valu Pak. Doggone what a shooter. I was shooting at 25 yards and having been forewarned I had raised my rear sight. With a little tweaking it was POA. I
offered one gentleman the chance to shoot it and he shot over at his target which was probably thirty yards and he put most of a mag into about two inches and rather rapid fire at that. With the iron sight this rifle still has the potential for more than acceptable accuracy for fun plinking. I have to say that while some question the desirability of having a 22 as heavy as the STG the feel is exceptional. I can see the fun factor of this rifle to be through the roof. The only thing that held me back was only having one mag and the delay necessitated by reloading.
Was it an impulse buy? Sort of. Buyers remorse? Not a bit. Recommended for fun shooting? You betcha.
offered one gentleman the chance to shoot it and he shot over at his target which was probably thirty yards and he put most of a mag into about two inches and rather rapid fire at that. With the iron sight this rifle still has the potential for more than acceptable accuracy for fun plinking. I have to say that while some question the desirability of having a 22 as heavy as the STG the feel is exceptional. I can see the fun factor of this rifle to be through the roof. The only thing that held me back was only having one mag and the delay necessitated by reloading.
Was it an impulse buy? Sort of. Buyers remorse? Not a bit. Recommended for fun shooting? You betcha.
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rodinal220
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I just shot mine for the first time.I put 550 rounds of Federal bulk pack and some Federal Automatch thru it.100% reliable so fire.Could only shoot at 25 yards and the sights are not calibrated for such a short distance,shot way low.I was just doing a function and shakedown run so no paper was used.
I found that using the rear sight was pointless so I found that using the front sight like a combo German post/Diopter(using the front sight hood),keeping both eyes open I could hit clay pidgeons I set up and then started drilling the fragments.This sighting technique was extremely effective and fast.
This gun has about a 1000% kool fun factor. I normally like bolt guns and single shots but when I saw the prototype at the 2010 SHOT Show I had to have one.
Most people I have shown the gun too think its a real STG44 when they first see it.If they ever handled a real one they would know that the ATI/GSG version looks too good!!.
I found that using the rear sight was pointless so I found that using the front sight like a combo German post/Diopter(using the front sight hood),keeping both eyes open I could hit clay pidgeons I set up and then started drilling the fragments.This sighting technique was extremely effective and fast.
This gun has about a 1000% kool fun factor
. I normally like bolt guns and single shots but when I saw the prototype at the 2010 SHOT Show I had to have one.Most people I have shown the gun too think its a real STG44 when they first see it.If they ever handled a real one they would know that the ATI/GSG version looks too good!!.
Whats it sighted in for? Using some rough estimates for height over bore, BC, and velocity I'm just not sure how the sight in distance is getting you to shoot "way low" at 25 yards.
A 50 yards zero would only put you 0.3" low at 25. A 75 yard (or longer out to any reasonable distance would have the point of impact being above the the point of aim at 25 yards.
Either I am missing something (and I could be) or the distance for which the sights were regulated would not account for hits that were "way low" at 25 yards. I'm sure I didn't have the variables I punched in exactly correct but they should have been close enough.
rodinal220
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Girodin:
"Whats it sighted in for? Using some rough estimates for height over bore, BC, and velocity I'm just not sure how the sight in distance is getting you to shoot "way low" at 25 yards."
Couldn't tell ya:didn't shoot paper this time.Only did a shake down to see if the gun would function and just had some fun "plinking" at close range.I would estimate that it was shooting 8-10" low at 25 yards with Federal bulk 550.
Girodin:
"I'm sure I didn't have the variables I punched in exactly correct but they should have been close enough."
They were not.Don't know what type of math you are using but sometimes its best just to shoot it and see where it prints.When I remember to bring my target stands with me I will paper it.
But using my field expedient German post/aperture sighting method I'm still tickled how easy it was to zap small pieces of clay pigeons at 25 yards,its a plinker after all not a Anshutz/Feinwerkbau.From a high underarm assault position it was easy to hit clay pigeons placed against the berm.
"Whats it sighted in for? Using some rough estimates for height over bore, BC, and velocity I'm just not sure how the sight in distance is getting you to shoot "way low" at 25 yards."
Couldn't tell ya:didn't shoot paper this time.Only did a shake down to see if the gun would function and just had some fun "plinking" at close range.I would estimate that it was shooting 8-10" low at 25 yards with Federal bulk 550.
Girodin:
"I'm sure I didn't have the variables I punched in exactly correct but they should have been close enough."
They were not.Don't know what type of math you are using but sometimes its best just to shoot it and see where it prints.When I remember to bring my target stands with me I will paper it.
But using my field expedient German post/aperture sighting method I'm still tickled how easy it was to zap small pieces of clay pigeons at 25 yards,its a plinker after all not a Anshutz/Feinwerkbau.From a high underarm assault position it was easy to hit clay pigeons placed against the berm.
leadcounsel
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Where r these available?
rodinal220
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Accounting for any plausible variations, you simply don't get a 22 LR to hit "way low" at 25 yards because of it being zeroed for a different distance. Look at a .22 LR trajectory. Put the numbers in a ballistic calculator. Yes you have to confirm the math with real world shooting, but again its not going to differ in some incredibly dramatic way. Point of impact is not going to be "way low" of point of aim. Now if the actual point of aim is way low from the intended point of aim that would account for it.
defconskylude
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i agree. i get this crap all the time from serious shooters. way too serious to realize the fun we're having with these .22LR centerfire clones. if they spend more time shooting their .22's, they wouldnt be saying things like this.
$20 for 500+ rounds and shoot for hours?! it would be hard to whine about that.
DammitBoy
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Dammit, I think I'm gonna end up getting one...
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