U.S. asks to arm pilots abroad

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U.S. asks to arm pilots abroad
Updated 2/8/2007 7:51 AM ET
By Thomas Frank, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2007-02-07-us-pilots-guns_x.htm

For the first time, the U.S. government is asking foreign countries to allow pilots to carry guns in the cockpit when they fly overseas.
The Homeland Security Department, working with the State Department, is trying to expand a 4-year-old program that allows thousands of pilots to carry guns on domestic flights.

"It's obvious that there's a threat internationally," said Conan Bruce, spokesman for the Federal Air Marshals Service, which runs the armed-pilots program. "We want to work toward having (armed pilots) be able to perform their duties on international flights."

Some countries may block U.S. efforts because they don't want guns on airplanes, even if they're carried by trained pilots who have been sworn as law officers.

"Sweden would rather not see any weapons aboard airplanes," said Michael Mohr, homeland security liaison at the Swedish Embassy in Washington. "There's a concern about arms and very sensitive equipment inside airplanes."

Nations can prohibit armed air marshals on U.S. flights to their countries. Some, including Sweden, have resisted U.S. efforts to have them put their own armed officers on U.S.-bound flights. Thousands of U.S. air marshals fly as passengers on domestic and international flights.

Armed pilots, known as flight deck officers, carry guns only in the cockpit. No pilot has fired a gun in a plane, Bruce said. The Transportation Security Administration allows handguns of varied calibers, including .357, .40 and .45, and 9mm.

The effort to expand the armed-pilots program comes amid criticism that it is falling short of its potential. A Homeland Security report released last month said the program needs improvement, and some policies "may have dissuaded pilots from participating."

"More needs to be accomplished to maximize the use of" armed pilots, the report concludes.

Congress cut $11.5 million from the last two budget requests for armed pilots because the program didn't spend all its money. Bruce said costs have fluctuated depending on pilot availability for one week of training.

Federal Flight Deck Officers Association Chairman Jim Krauss said the U.S. push for guns on international flights will help enlist more pilots in the program. "We certainly would see a lot more participation," he said.

About 8% of flights originating in the USA are to international destinations.

Members of Congress have proposed numerous bills since 2004 that would require the administration to work with countries to allow armed pilots, and to take other steps to improve the program.

David Mackett, president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, which advocates for armed pilots, said his group wants to see lifted a policy requiring them to keep guns in a lockbox except when they're in a cockpit. "We have thousands of pilots who are routinely riding in the cabin (as passengers) and could serve as the last line of defense," Mackett said. He said other law enforcement officers carry guns on board planes.

Bruce said improvements are planned in response to pilot concerns. Armed pilots will get badges this year to replace ID cards. Regional training sites will open to make pilot recertification more convenient.

Aviation security consultant Rich Roth said some pilots "feel better" carrying guns, but he doubts they could thwart a hijacker. "If you're sitting in the flight deck and they get through, you have no time to do anything with a weapon," Roth said.
 
For the first time, the U.S. government is asking foreign countries to allow pilots to carry guns in the cockpit when they fly overseas.

Wow, so all 48 (anyone know the exact number now?) of the guys who jumped through the Bush admin hoops (after the Bush admin disarmed the pilots in the first place, right before 9-11... anyone remember that it was Barbara Boxer who re-armed them?) might get to carry their pistols in those dangerous Swedish airports. And only seven years after 9-11.

It's an obviously great idea, as is this:

David Mackett, president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, which advocates for armed pilots, said his group wants to see lifted a policy requiring them to keep guns in a lockbox except when they're in a cockpit.

And without the Republicans, the obvious would have happened already.
 
Aviation security consultant Rich Roth said some pilots "feel better" carrying guns, but he doubts they could thwart a hijacker. "If you're sitting in the flight deck and they get through, you have no time to do anything with a weapon," Roth said.

Maybe, maybe not. If you have no weapon you have no chance to do anything. If you have a weapon you have a chance. Self defense is just
that simple a concept. And if the door to the flight deck is closed and secure as it should be the pilot and crew should have enough warning to prepare to enage. I'd like to know what exactly qualifies Mr. Rich Roth to be
an aviation security consultant anyway. Not exactly a job you can get a degree for in college.
 
Here is a related article from today...gotta love the non-gun familiar press:

More airline pilots toting guns after 9/11 attacks
By Ken Kaye, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
February 11, 2007


FORT LAUDERDALE, FLA. — Five years after the Sept. 11 attacks, a growing number of U.S. airline pilots are armed, prepared to use lethal force to protect the cockpit. Soon, they will carry badges, bringing them even closer to being bona fide law enforcement officers.

"Every cop has that metal badge to flash," said John Mazor, spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Assn. "It is a valid recognition signal between law enforcement officers."

About 8,000 pilots carry government-issued guns on a voluntary basis, or about 8% of the nation's 100,000 pilots, according to the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, a volunteer organization that advocates increased cockpit security. Two years ago, about 3,000 pilots were armed.

These pilots, officially known as federal flight deck officers, keep sidearms handy to provide one more layer of security and a last line of defense against hijackers.

Although there have been no reports of pilots drawing their weapons since the Sept. 11 attacks, the federal government has granted pilots slightly more leeway in how they take guns on board planes.

Notably, pilots now can lock their guns into holsters, which are then placed in a discreet bag. After pilots are in the cockpit, the holsters are removed from the bag and latched onto their belts. Previously, the guns had to be transported onto planes in a heavy steel box.

To further fold pilots into the police community, the federal flight deck officer program has been placed under the Federal Air Marshal Service, an arm of the Transportation Security Administration. Last month, the marshal service approved issuing badges to pilots so they are more easily identifiable.

"We're a law enforcement agency, so we understand the culture they're trying to develop as federal flight deck officers," said Federal Air Marshal Service spokesman Conan Bruce.

To become flight deck officers, pilots undergo six days of intense training at a federal complex in Artesia, N.M., including weapons handling and close-combat techniques.

Most important, Bruce said, they learn "how to use the appropriate level of force."

About 50 pilots are trained each week. After graduation, the TSA issues the pilots a Heckler & Koch .40 caliber semiautomatic revolver.
 
I'm a civilian CCW permit holder fortunate enough
to get to train regularly with a very good police
department instructor.

Recently, a pilot was there getting training. He
carried a HK Compact in .40 S&W. He was a good
shot.

It occurred to me that a pilot's ability to concisely
connect thought with a physical response (to fly a
commercial airplane) could make for good shooters.
 
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