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Gun liability bill gains support

Daschle is among nearly 60 sponsors in the Senate.
By Lawrence M. O'Rourke
Bee Washington Bureau
(Published Monday, October 20, 2003, 7:30 AM)

WASHINGTON -- With the unexpected support of Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, the Republican majority in Congress is close to passing legislation that would grant sweeping legal protection to gun manufacturers and dealers.

"The vast majority of gun owners, manufacturers and sellers are honest and law-abiding," Daschle said in a statement as he announced his support for the bill, a priority for the National Rifle Association.

The measure would bar future lawsuits for money damages and put a stop to previously filed damage claims, according to Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Barnes said that one consequence would be to stop lawsuits filed by nine families of Washington sniper victims over allowing the accused snipers to obtain the weapon they allegedly used a year ago. The defendants are Bushmaster Firearms Inc. of Windham, Maine, a manufacturer, and Bulls Eye Shooter Supply of Tacoma, Wash., a dealer.

The legislation has 54 sponsors, enough to pass but not enough to overcome a threatened filibuster. Forty-four sponsors are Republicans, 10 are Democrats. It would take 60 votes to kill the filibuster.

"I think I have my 60 votes to proceed," said the chief Senate sponsor, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho. Craig said he is confident he can pick up votes from five of the six Republican senators who have not added themselves as co-sponsors.

As the session nears the end, opponents of the gun bill retain hope that it can still be stopped.

"We are working hard to hold our 40 votes," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a leader in the opposition. "It's a big struggle. I don't know where this will come out."

With Daschle behind the bill and House conservatives calling for its passage, "it's a very precarious situation," said Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign, the main group fighting the NRA.

The legislation would have Congress declare that firearm and ammunition makers, distributors, importers and dealers should "not be liable for the harm caused by those who criminally or unlawfully misuse firearm products or ammunition products that function as designed and intended."

Brian Siebel, a Brady Campaign lawyer working on lawsuits filed in several states, cited federal trial evidence that 15% of handguns produced or imported for sale in the United States were used in a crime by 2000. "Crime guns are the industry's third-largest handgun market, behind only guns for personal protection and target shooting," he said.

Declaring his support for the measure, Daschle said, "It is wrong, and it is a misuse of the civil justice system, to try to punish honest, law-abiding people for illegal acts committed by others without their knowledge or involvement."

Daschle's decision to support the bill appeared to open the way for other Democrats to sign on as sponsors.

"I was a bit surprised by Senator Daschle's decision to support this bill," said Reed, the opposition leader. Reed noted that the NRA has a large membership in South Dakota, where Daschle is running for re-election next year.

Both Reed and Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman, agreed that both advocates and opponents are aggressively lobbying several senators on the fence.

Aides to Daschle said he decided to support the legislation after the gun industry and its congressional supporters agreed to make it clear that gun manufacturers and distributors would not be protected from lawsuits involving defective products or illegal sales.

Daschle is among nearly 60 sponsors in the Senate.
By Lawrence M. O'Rourke
Bee Washington Bureau
(Published Monday, October 20, 2003, 7:30 AM)



WASHINGTON -- With the unexpected support of Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, the Republican majority in Congress is close to passing legislation that would grant sweeping legal protection to gun manufacturers and dealers.
"The vast majority of gun owners, manufacturers and sellers are honest and law-abiding," Daschle said in a statement as he announced his support for the bill, a priority for the National Rifle Association.

The measure would bar future lawsuits for money damages and put a stop to previously filed damage claims, according to Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Barnes said that one consequence would be to stop lawsuits filed by nine families of Washington sniper victims over allowing the accused snipers to obtain the weapon they allegedly used a year ago. The defendants are Bushmaster Firearms Inc. of Windham, Maine, a manufacturer, and Bulls Eye Shooter Supply of Tacoma, Wash., a dealer.

The legislation has 54 sponsors, enough to pass but not enough to overcome a threatened filibuster. Forty-four sponsors are Republicans, 10 are Democrats. It would take 60 votes to kill the filibuster.

"I think I have my 60 votes to proceed," said the chief Senate sponsor, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho. Craig said he is confident he can pick up votes from five of the six Republican senators who have not added themselves as co-sponsors.

As the session nears the end, opponents of the gun bill retain hope that it can still be stopped.

"We are working hard to hold our 40 votes," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a leader in the opposition. "It's a big struggle. I don't know where this will come out."

With Daschle behind the bill and House conservatives calling for its passage, "it's a very precarious situation," said Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign, the main group fighting the NRA.

The legislation would have Congress declare that firearm and ammunition makers, distributors, importers and dealers should "not be liable for the harm caused by those who criminally or unlawfully misuse firearm products or ammunition products that function as designed and intended."

Brian Siebel, a Brady Campaign lawyer working on lawsuits filed in several states, cited federal trial evidence that 15% of handguns produced or imported for sale in the United States were used in a crime by 2000. "Crime guns are the industry's third-largest handgun market, behind only guns for personal protection and target shooting," he said.

Declaring his support for the measure, Daschle said, "It is wrong, and it is a misuse of the civil justice system, to try to punish honest, law-abiding people for illegal acts committed by others without their knowledge or involvement."

Daschle's decision to support the bill appeared to open the way for other Democrats to sign on as sponsors.

"I was a bit surprised by Senator Daschle's decision to support this bill," said Reed, the opposition leader. Reed noted that the NRA has a large membership in South Dakota, where Daschle is running for re-election next year.

Both Reed and Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman, agreed that both advocates and opponents are aggressively lobbying several senators on the fence.

Aides to Daschle said he decided to support the legislation after the gun industry and its congressional supporters agreed to make it clear that gun manufacturers and distributors would not be protected from lawsuits involving defective products or illegal sales.

Daschle is among nearly 60 sponsors in the Senate.
By Lawrence M. O'Rourke
Bee Washington Bureau
(Published Monday, October 20, 2003, 7:30 AM)



WASHINGTON -- With the unexpected support of Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, the Republican majority in Congress is close to passing legislation that would grant sweeping legal protection to gun manufacturers and dealers.
"The vast majority of gun owners, manufacturers and sellers are honest and law-abiding," Daschle said in a statement as he announced his support for the bill, a priority for the National Rifle Association.

The measure would bar future lawsuits for money damages and put a stop to previously filed damage claims, according to Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Barnes said that one consequence would be to stop lawsuits filed by nine families of Washington sniper victims over allowing the accused snipers to obtain the weapon they allegedly used a year ago. The defendants are Bushmaster Firearms Inc. of Windham, Maine, a manufacturer, and Bulls Eye Shooter Supply of Tacoma, Wash., a dealer.

The legislation has 54 sponsors, enough to pass but not enough to overcome a threatened filibuster. Forty-four sponsors are Republicans, 10 are Democrats. It would take 60 votes to kill the filibuster.

"I think I have my 60 votes to proceed," said the chief Senate sponsor, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho. Craig said he is confident he can pick up votes from five of the six Republican senators who have not added themselves as co-sponsors.

As the session nears the end, opponents of the gun bill retain hope that it can still be stopped.

"We are working hard to hold our 40 votes," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a leader in the opposition. "It's a big struggle. I don't know where this will come out."

With Daschle behind the bill and House conservatives calling for its passage, "it's a very precarious situation," said Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign, the main group fighting the NRA.

The legislation would have Congress declare that firearm and ammunition makers, distributors, importers and dealers should "not be liable for the harm caused by those who criminally or unlawfully misuse firearm products or ammunition products that function as designed and intended."

Brian Siebel, a Brady Campaign lawyer working on lawsuits filed in several states, cited federal trial evidence that 15% of handguns produced or imported for sale in the United States were used in a crime by 2000. "Crime guns are the industry's third-largest handgun market, behind only guns for personal protection and target shooting," he said.

Declaring his support for the measure, Daschle said, "It is wrong, and it is a misuse of the civil justice system, to try to punish honest, law-abiding people for illegal acts committed by others without their knowledge or involvement."

Daschle's decision to support the bill appeared to open the way for other Democrats to sign on as sponsors.

"I was a bit surprised by Senator Daschle's decision to support this bill," said Reed, the opposition leader. Reed noted that the NRA has a large membership in South Dakota, where Daschle is running for re-election next year.

Both Reed and Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman, agreed that both advocates and opponents are aggressively lobbying several senators on the fence.

Aides to Daschle said he decided to support the legislation after the gun industry and its congressional supporters agreed to make it clear that gun manufacturers and distributors would not be protected from lawsuits involving defective products or illegal sales.

© 2003, The Fresno Bee
 
from the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50581-2003Oct19.html
Daschle Joins Move to Shoot Down Some Liability of Gun Merchants

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 20, 2003; Page A21

The National Rifle Association has found an influential ally in Senate Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), who introduced an amendment to legislation that would protect gun manufacturers and dealers from legal liability when crimes are committed without their knowledge.

"The vast majority of gun owners, manufacturers and sellers are honest and law-abiding," Daschle said of his support for the bill. "It is wrong -- and a misuse of the civil justice system -- to try to punish honest, law-abiding people for illegal acts committed by others without their knowledge or involvement."

Daschle's amendment would, among other things, clarify a product liability exception by providing coverage for reasonably foreseeable uses of a gun that aren't criminal. It would not protect gun makers from claims involving defective products or "straw purchasers," people who buy weapons for felons and others who are legally barred from having guns.

The Senate bill has 55 co-sponsors and could come to the floor at any time. Daschle's involvement drew praise from Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president.

"It's a constructive amendment," LaPierre said. "This is very important to the folks back in South Dakota."

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, however, has begun a major ad campaign criticizing the legislation. The ads focus on the Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, the source of the Bushmaster XM15 rifle that John Allen Muhammad and teenager Lee Boyd Malvo allegedly used in the October 2002 Washington-area sniper shootings.

The bill would give Bull's Eye immunity against lawsuits brought by the sniper victims or their families, according to its critics, though a minor left the store with a $1,600 military-style rifle.

"This ad goes to the very heart of how the NRA is trying to corrupt the American justice system," said Michael D. Barnes, the Brady Campaign's president and a former Democratic member of the House from Maryland.

"The NRA wields an unparalleled control over our political process that is unhealthy for a democracy and out of touch with the common sense of the American people," Barnes said. "The values of the NRA are not the values of Americans."

LaPierre, of course, would beg to differ. "The NRA has no intention on this bill of shielding criminal activity in any way," he said. "It protects manufacturers of legal products from third-party suits if a third party misuses the product in a criminal act."

The bill has passed the House. If the Senate adopts it, President Bush is likely to sign it.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company
 
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, however, has begun a major ad campaign criticizing the legislation

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"Muhahahahahahahahahahaha!"
 
"Crime guns are the industry's third-largest handgun market, behind only guns for personal protection and target shooting,"

Apparently behind guns for hunting as well. Tell you what, Mr. Barnes, show me manufacturers or dealers who deliberaterly sell to criminals. Better yet, show the nearest US District Attorney so we can put them out of business.

:banghead: :cuss: :barf:
 
"Crime guns are the industry's third-largest handgun market, behind only guns for personal protection and target shooting"

So how come I've never seen any of the advertising? Is there a trade mag for muggers?
"Modern Burglery"
"Dope Dealers Daily"
"Gangstas Gazette"

I'm still waiting for the kid at my door:
"Please mister, if you buy any 2 of these fine rags you'll get the third one free. Check our Methamphetemine Monthly, and get Coke World free."

Plus great ads from people like Hom-e-Boy, too.

Yeah, right.
 
Is there a trade mag for muggers?

Well, the gangstas have their own TV network...MTV. Maybe that's where they advertise the crime guns.

Aside: 50 Cent brags that he's been shot what, 7, 8, 9 times? Why the heck couldn't that no-talent POS make an enemy who can shoot straight?
 
Daschle supports this thing....!!!!!! :/ trying to pick my jaw up of the...... !?!?!? Who woulda thunk it.


Diesle
 
Only because SD has more than a few firearms related industries and his constituency will view it as appeasement over his stance on Gulf II.
 
I think the "esteemed" Senator :barf: might be waking up to the fact that after 40 plus years of "gun control", the idea that they are "protecting" us from evil is getting kinda long in the tooth. Time to hang his hat on another schtick for a while-or at least appear to so he can save his phony-baloney job.:fire:
 
Ladies and Gents, this just gives more ammunition. If any of you out there have Senators who haven't signed on as co-sponsors for this bill (like mine), email them immediately. And make sure to point out that the Senate Minority Leader happens to agree with out position on this.

And yes, Daschle is up for re-election in '04. And Bush really wants him gone.
 
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